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ShadowWolf said :
"The view for me having a woman on a cross has two aspects to it. The first view comes..."
Another aspect-which I believe is true-comes to attention: males not particularly inetrested in crucified women, get aroused whenever they observe a naked female's body haanging fron a cross. Usually they try not to show these feelings openly,but this is a 'deep instinct' of the human nature dating back to the origin of mankind and - on my opinion- it must not be forgotten. Nonetheless arguments heard on this Forum are valid,interesting and appreciable for sincerity. Speaking of sincerity I feel as well aroused by the smooth curves of the feminine body contrasting with the hard wood of the cross,the face's expression revealing strain and suffering, the figure's posture. These elements call for men's (and often
 
females') strong appeal. As for 'Mysoginists' I would say that each individual's state of mind and behaviour rests sometimes
on backgrounds whiich may have encouraged,for a life time, feeling of hurting, hatred, isolation or simply rejection: this
deserves consideration. Thanks for attention. Bye
 
I always wanted to set focus on the aesthetic part of this... ...event. Only.
Of course it should be completely rare action.
A few years ago i thought that the victim of this event should be noble woman.
She was sentenced to this for her brave deeds against the forces of evil and darkness.
Right now i can't focus my thoughts on this.

But i'm still on the aesthetic side... I have to fight against my temptations
 
Another ethical /moral question: I would believe that the vast majority of us in this forum feel some sort of trepidation about what we do here. I was raised strictly Roman Catholic (I have since been in recovery), so I know all about guilt. I also know how to think rationally and dismiss the guilt (at least the guilt arising from religious teachings). My question: how much guilt do you feel (if any)? Is it extremely high (such as one might feel if one murdered a loved one in a fit of rage)? Or is it barely perceptible (oh, too bad, I accidentally stepped on an ant). Here's a scale to describe how you feel:
level 1 (low): peccable
level 3 (low-medium): regretful
level 5 (medium): guilty
level 7 (medium-high): shameful
level 10 (high): self-condemning
Also, if you do relate to the high end of the scale, why do you continue here? Are you, in fact, addicted to this type of porn? (And don't tell me this isn't pornography. It is by almost any standard.) How do you deal with the guilt? Or do you repress it?

As before, I'll include a nice photo to make you all feel better (or at least forget about all this guilt stuff):
Screen Shot 2019-01-29 at 4.49.00 PM.png(I especially like the trickle of sweat.)
 
Another ethical /moral question: I would believe that the vast majority of us in this forum feel some sort of trepidation about what we do here. I was raised strictly Roman Catholic (I have since been in recovery), so I know all about guilt. I also know how to think rationally and dismiss the guilt (at least the guilt arising from religious teachings). My question: how much guilt do you feel (if any)? Is it extremely high (such as one might feel if one murdered a loved one in a fit of rage)? Or is it barely perceptible (oh, too bad, I accidentally stepped on an ant). Here's a scale to describe how you feel:
level 1 (low): peccable
level 3 (low-medium): regretful
level 5 (medium): guilty
level 7 (medium-high): shameful
level 10 (high): self-condemning
Also, if you do relate to the high end of the scale, why do you continue here? Are you, in fact, addicted to this type of porn? (And don't tell me this isn't pornography. It is by almost any standard.) How do you deal with the guilt? Or do you repress it?

As before, I'll include a nice photo to make you all feel better (or at least forget about all this guilt stuff):
View attachment 667481(I especially like the trickle of sweat.)
Very honestly, I feel 0 guilt being here. Zero. I enjoy writing stories; it's a mental challenge to plot them out semi-coherently (on a good day) and collaborating with Barb makes it all the moore fun. If others enjoy reading them, that's all the better; if they don't, they're morons (just kidding;)). Honestly, there are many really well-written tales here by many authors and some very well done artwork. Some of them have zero erotic effect on me but I can enjoy them for the craft on display.

The only possible source of guilt is the amount of time spent here that could be used for other things, but the same could be said for any other site-Facebook, Twitter, video games, whatever, so I don't see CF as any more or less of a time sink than those and I'd rather post stories I've written than pass on fake news or add another cat playing the piano picture to the world's surplus...
 
OK with you, windar ... I dont see why we should have any shame to be here ...
Windar & Messaline--
Thanks for your thoughtful replies!

So, if you feel no trepidation about being here, would you freely tell your spouse, family members, parents (if still living), co-workers, etc. about your involvement with this site? And if not, does that reticence not imply a desire to keep something secret that might bring embarrassment?
 
I've not a great family and I dont think that I'll tell them my participation here , but it's not a shame , only it's because they're not in this way and for me, it's not interesting to talk of that with them ...
Concerning my lover girl Judith, of course that she knows and is coming (though she's not member) to view what are my manips ...
 
Windar & Messaline--
would you freely tell your spouse, family members, parents (if still living), co-workers, etc. about your involvement with this site? And if not, does that reticence not imply a desire to keep something secret that might bring embarrassment?

Because you cannot explain colors to a blind, do you regret to see them?

There may be other reasons than shame that keep us from sharing this with others.
 
Windar & Messaline--
Thanks for your thoughtful replies!

So, if you feel no trepidation about being here, would you freely tell your spouse, family members, parents (if still living), co-workers, etc. about your involvement with this site? And if not, does that reticence not imply a desire to keep something secret that might bring embarrassment?
Embarrassment is very different from guilt. If I spilled a bottle of wine all over my guests at dinner, that would be very embarrassing, but I wouldn't feel any guilt, because I didn't do anything morally wrong (just clumsy).
 
Windar & Messaline--
Thanks for your thoughtful replies!

So, if you feel no trepidation about being here, would you freely tell your spouse, family members, parents (if still living), co-workers, etc. about your involvement with this site? And if not, does that reticence not imply a desire to keep something secret that might bring embarrassment?
Well, perhaps the separation of this site from the real world is half the fun.... ;)

If everyone in the canteen was talking about the latest threads on Cruxforums....? :confused:
 
Embarrassment is very different from guilt. If I spilled a bottle of wine all over my guests at dinner, that would be very embarrassing, but I wouldn't feel any guilt, because I didn't do anything morally wrong (just clumsy).

I like that you discriminate between embarrassment and guilt. If you spilled wine, you'd be embarrassed because you were clumsy and perhaps stained someone's clothes.

So, what would be the reason for your embarrassment if others found out about your participation in a crucifixion fetish? For myself, it would be that I had not lived up to their expectations, that I had debased myself to engage in something that 99% of the population would consider abhorred. In other words, we circle back to the emotional reaction known as shame or guilt.
 
So, what would be the reason for your embarrassment if others found out about your participation in a crucifixion fetish?
I don't have a crucifixion fetish. I can take it or leave it (mostly the latter).
For myself, it would be that I had not lived up to their expectations, that I had debased myself to engage in something that 99% of the population would consider abhorred.
I have no idea what percentage of the population cares. Should we hire Gallup?
 
I don't have a crucifixion fetish. I can take it or leave it (mostly the latter).

I have no idea what percentage of the population cares. Should we hire Gallup?

I am sorry, windar, if I offended you. I didn't intend to direct my questions to you personally; I was trying to use "you" in the colloquial (general) sense.

I do think, however, that all of us here are fetishists. Wikipedia defines a sexual fetish as "a sexual fixation on a nonliving object" (in our case, the image of a crucified person). It further says, "A sexual fetish may be regarded as a non-pathological aid to sexual excitement, or as a mental disorder if it causes significant psychosocial distress for the person or has detrimental effects on important areas of their life." So the amount of time or degree one spends on such a fetish doesn't affect the fact that one is a fetishist. It may, however, determine whether one's behavior is pathological.

In terms of how most people would react to crux porn, I feel relatively certain that if you showed 100 random adults four photos, two of them so-called soft pornography, one a complete nude (see "Lovely Ladies" thread), and one a crux porn photo, 99 of those adults would identify the crux porn as the most extremely offensive. This result may have many reasons (the culture of Christianity not the least), but --to return to my original point in this thread-- there is something shameful and guilt-generating about the crucifixion fetish.

But thank you for your response. I find everyone's responses very interesting and much food for thought.
 
Some excellent points made here. I can see that some of you take this question seriously and examine your own desires in light of what society in general would view as horrid, freakish, perverted and disgusting. But I believe that by recognizing our particular fantasies and desires, we take control of them. I, for one, sometimes view the more lurid and extreme images and descriptions with a combination of fascination and repulsion. In the end I become somewhat exhausted by it all.

I am also involved in BDSM and I have witnessed women being whipped to the point of having bleeding welts. It concerns me when I see this, even though the fantasy of it turns me on. I am concerned that the woman might get an infection or a permanent scar. But having spoken to many of them, they are not concerned at all. They enjoy it. They give their skin a couple of weeks to heal, meantime showing off their bruises and weals in photos online (within the BDSM community) and then they have another hard session. Not all practitioners of this kink go to the extreme. In fact, there are probably many more people who enjoy just the thrill of the whip's sting, the restriction of the rope binding them and the trance-like state they reach after a good session. Many people end up with nothing more than some red marks which heal faster than a normal sunburn. Most dominant players observe safety rules and try to be careful. They are very caring and affectionate with their subs, especially if they are in a relationship. Everything is consensual.

Now, as for crucifixion, many of us would like to see one carried out, but not in the cruel and harmful way that was used by the Romans or other oppressive rulers over the centuries. We would enjoy the fantasy fulfillment. In a best case scenario the person who volunteers to be the victim would also enjoy the experience, as long as it is kept within reasonable bounds. In terms of ethics, I agree with what was said in the initial statement-- fantasizing or role playing is acceptable, but actually carrying out dangerous or life-threatening actions on an unwilling participant would be hideously wrong. If anyone has a real desire to carry out such an act, it would be highly advisable to seek help from a mental health expert. You would owe that to yourself and society, which includes our little society here on CF.
 
I see being a part of this forum as a psychological release. I mentioned this before in my first posting in this discussion. I feel that this subject of crucifixion is a part of me and being able to release it allows me to not feel guilty about this. I went to counseling about my sexual desires and the psychologist I talked with told me that it is better to express it in a non harmful way. That is how I see and use this forum. I do not discuss it with others I know because they do not share my interest in this forum. I also think they would have a more difficult time understanding why I am involved with this forum because they would see it from a different viewpoint.
 
I find this thread interesting and thought provoking (apart from the personal attacks).

All of us here indulge in fantasies that diverge to a greater or lesser extent from the views of the mainstream of society. My understanding is that “morals” are what is acceptable to society at a particular time in place or time. For example, slavery was once a practice widely accepted by society, yet now it is anathema, and anyone declaring that he is in favour of slavery is considered to be odd, at best. Capital punishment is another example, once applauded as the just desserts of criminals of whatever shade, now almost universally condemned as cruel, unusual and immoral.

Yet these morals change. I grew up in a time when the world was changing from post-war conservatism, through the sexual liberation of the sixties and it now seems to me that the world is going back to a narrow, perhaps hypocritical, sexual conservatism.

We, as members of this forum, step outside the boundaries. We enjoy, for whatever reason, practices that would appal the “average person.” BDSM is a case in point. I once had a long discussion with a lawyer about BDSM. It would appear that in terms of the law, certainly in my country, most of what we practice is a serious criminal offence. Whipping someone, even with consent, is technically common assault, at best. Bondage is akin to kidnapping. Etcetera, etcetera.

I practice BDSM, both as a dominant and as a submissive. Does this make me a dangerous maniac? I doubt it, as long as the principle of informed consent is applied by both (or more) parties. As long as everyone concerned derives pleasure from our activities and none is harmed (within reason) it should be tolerated and allowed.

I think the same goes for our fantasies here. Some of us have the talent to generate pictures, others write, some do both. In my own writing I push boundaries, sometimes too far. I have on occasion been rebuked for this, and have retracted or changed stories where I find this justified. However, none of us are forced to be members of this forum. We are all, I hope, adults who are involved of our free will.

I hope that in future we can be tolerant of each other’s views and fantasies, and that those of us who do overstep the mark will learn from our mistakes and take the advice of our fellows. However, I would hate to see that everything is judged by the “lowest” (in this case most conservative or prudish) common denominator.

The moderators do a great job in keeping us within the boundaries and I sincerely hope that our mutual respect for each other will help to make their task easier. Let us all enjoy our fantasies, and let us respect the right of others to enjoy fantasies that do not necessarily appeal to us.
 
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