Raising the Cross - Which Way?

Loxuru · Jan 20, 2018

I finally voted option one, raising the entire cross, from the 'arousal' viewpoint. It occurs to me that this is the method I use in my stories. It has the particularity that the condemned will experience the transfer of the body weight from the back to the nail points during the proces of raising, thereby sliding down along the stipes, practically without the possibility to slow it down. There is also the agonising 'jolt' when the cross comes to rest in its upright position. The condemned will experience more the removal of the last 'comfort', i.e. lying on the back.

I already noticed that this method culd me less practical from the technical viewpoint. In some stories set in a today's dystopic world, however, I solved this problem by having the cross raised up by a crane http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/a-matter-of-honor.1115/page-2 or by a hydraulic or pneumatic telescopic cylinder http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/the-acts-of-julia-of-brixellum.6096/page-11#post-319949

crumera · Jan 20, 2018

_CADRE_ said:
This was an interesting idea Crumera. I knocked together a little render depicting what I believe you to be saying, and I actually really like the idea. Nailing her feet to some sort of small piece of wood before raising her would make the last process of fixing her feet to the stipes much easier. Maybe I should have expanded this poll with more crux methods...

Nice render!!

stepnash · Jan 20, 2018

Well, here's an idea, while Lucilla is in prison, suffering her many ordeals, the Christians get to her and she is converted.
Knowing she is destined to die on the cross. they venerate her and she goes to her execution, a Christian saint.

They probably worshipped St Lucilla the martyr, for a while until she went out of fashion as they do

messaline · Jan 20, 2018

I voted the first possibility because, in my remembrance of the Via Cruxis that I saw younger , J.C was wearing his full cross ...
I find that more natural, more evident : you're crucified, so, you do wear the totality of your torture'instrument till the execution'place ...

zuohnl · Jan 21, 2018

i guess the second way is better and effective. when more victims should be crucified in short time, the poles could be fixed in advance, so the condemned victim would be crucified quickly, and they had more time to suffer

Eulalia · Jan 22, 2018

Leaving aside the practical questions, isn't there something powerfully 'phallic'
in the sight of a cross being raised with a naked, screaming girl nailed on it?
Isn't that a (conscious or otherwise) attraction for the 'male gaze'?

Madiosi · Jan 22, 2018

Eulalia said:
Leaving aside the practical questions, isn't there something powerfully 'phallic'
in the sight of a cross being raised with a naked, screaming girl nailed on it?
Isn't that a (conscious or otherwise) attraction for the 'male gaze'?

Indeed a strong attraction for the "male gaze"! I'm sure in my case.

Apostate · Jan 22, 2018

Eulalia said:
Leaving aside the practical questions, isn't there something powerfully 'phallic' in the sight of a cross being raised with a naked, screaming girl nailed on it?
Isn't that a (conscious or otherwise) attraction for the 'male gaze'?

Good heavens, woman! Is Crux all about sex to you?!

Oh wait. Yeah. Right. It’s . . . kinda is the reason we're all here.

Anyway, my problem with the whole "raising the cross" scenario is this.

Madiosi · Jan 22, 2018

Apostate said:
Good heavens, woman! Is Crux all about sex to you?!

Oh wait. Yeah. Right. It’s . . . kinda is the reason we're all here.

Anyway, my problem with the whole "raising the cross" scenario is this.

But, such a accident (carnifex botch job) made probably a faster End. A lucky-case for the convicted person.
What's the problem?

cruxlover · Jan 22, 2018

Apostate said:
Good heavens, woman! Is Crux all about sex to you?!

Oh wait. Yeah. Right. It’s . . . kinda is the reason we're all here.

Anyway, my problem with the whole "raising the cross" scenario is this.

However I am sure that the Romans would have had sufficient manpower to raise the cross satisfactorily by either method.
Nowadays we tend to think that loads of machinery are needed to do anything, in the past human or animal power often had to suffice.
There is a miniature painting in Bedford museum that shows how Stevington windmill was moved from one hill to the next some time in the early 19thC (dispute with Landowner).
Method
Build large wooden sledge under mill and take weight, before demolishing brick base (only 1 story high).
Drag using 50 oxen, 30 horses and 200 people across road and stream, then up next hill. (Not high or steep luckily).
Rebuild brick base - sorted.

markus · Jan 22, 2018

cruxlover said:
However I am sure that the Romans would have had sufficient manpower to raise the cross satisfactorily by either method.
Nowadays we tend to think that loads of machinery are needed to do anything, in the past human or animal power often had to suffice.
There is a miniature painting in Bedford museum that shows how Stevington windmill was moved from one hill to the next some time in the early 19thC (dispute with Landowner).
Method
Build large wooden sledge under mill and take weight, before demolishing brick base (only 1 story high).
Drag using 50 oxen, 30 horses and 200 people across road and stream, then up next hill. (Not high or steep luckily).
Rebuild brick base - sorted.

A DIFFERENT WAY........

Deleted member jedakk · Jan 22, 2018

Apostate said:
Good heavens, woman! Is Crux all about sex to you?!

Oh wait. Yeah. Right. It’s . . . kinda is the reason we're all here.

Anyway, my problem with the whole "raising the cross" scenario is this.

That's always a possibility and there were probably some legionaries or slaves who got their asses kicked for just that kind of screw-up. If you're going to drop a cross into a hole which has got to be somewhat bigger in diameter than the base of the cross, there's a really good chance that it is going to come to rest at some angle other than the vertical and then have to be straightened up. I also showed that with Lucilla's cross in The Serpent's Eye, where it went into the hole and was carried forward under its own momentum until it hit the forward side of the hole.

If the hole wasn't very deep, and the ground wasn't all that hard, it's quite possible that a cross in this situation would have simply pushed the dirt in the front and the back of the hole each way enough to allow it to fall forward. If these executioners had any idea (and they didn't, because they are just digital characters and hollow inside their skulls) that there could have been a problem, they'd have been ready to catch the cross and stop its forward momentum.

Apostate · Jan 22, 2018

madiosi said:
But, such a accident (carnifex botch job) made probably a faster End. A lucky-case for the convicted person.
What's the problem?

Worst case for the coarse, brutish mob who came to see a show.

Madiosi · Jan 22, 2018

Apostate said:
Worst case for the coarse, brutish mob who came to see a show.

risk of profession

_CADRE_ · Jan 22, 2018

I see your point, Eul. To each their own, but I just like imagining the struggle of the crucified victim while the crossbeam is being raised (unevenly and abruptly - with many jolts as the executioners hoist her up via ropes and pulleys). At this point, she can still twist her body, squirm, and writhe with much latitude, though the nails in her wrists prevent her from escaping. And, drawing from Crumera's idea of nailing the feet to a small off-cut piece of wood before raising her, she can sill kick and flail her legs to find some sort of relief, but the pain is still there. All the while, onlookers feast their eyes upon her "beautiful" struggle. Many enjoy it. Many are horrified by it. None can take their eyes off of her pierced body...

Apostate · Jan 22, 2018

madiosi said:
risk of profession

And so is getting kicked in the balls, as the guy second from the right risks here.

(Cadre, I’ve wanted to post this Yusebby since you started this thread. Took me a while to find her.

)

Loxuru · Jan 22, 2018

Eulalia said:
Leaving aside the practical questions, isn't there something powerfully 'phallic'
in the sight of a cross being raised with a naked, screaming girl nailed on it?
Isn't that a (conscious or otherwise) attraction for the 'male gaze'?

Only for a male gaze? :rolleyes:

Apostate · Jan 22, 2018

But nailing her down completely while on the ground has it’s gazing advantages, irrespective of gender.

Eulalia · Jan 22, 2018

Loxuru said:
Only for a male gaze?

probably some female gazes too - the sight of a rigid pole rising slowly but steadily can certainly be lip-licking,
but I naturally identify with the squirming creature on the wood.

Loxuru · Jan 22, 2018

Eulalia said:
probably some female gazes too - the sight of a rigid pole rising slowly but steadily can certainly be lip-licking,
but I naturally identify with the squirming creature on the wood.

And what about women's fantasy about being 'the squirming creature on the wood', riding a big raising 'phallic' structure?

Raising the Cross - Which Way?

Which method of Crucifixion arouses the sense more?

1) Nailing feet and wrists to the cross, and then pushing the cross and victim upwards?

2) Nailing wrists to the crossbeam, and then hoisting the victim up, and then nailing her feet?

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