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For the first two... The subject is just nailed. One with pierced nipples and the other without. Which one do you like?



I think I should have nipple-rings - an additional little woman-torture for me,
both having them fixed on, and my Executioners can use them to rouse me
if I seem to be fainting...
(but they're not easy to see, until I open the image in a new tab and enlarge it)


Now, same shot but with the subject tied and nailed.
Is the rope needed?



Well, it would be helpful holding my wrists down while they're nailed -
once that's done, they're not really needed, but I think they'd help keep my wrists from tugging on the nails,
so less chance of pulling one of my arms free. The ropes look well with the blood stains,
though a bit too obviously similar, right and left.


The next three are with the subject wearing two variations of a crown of thorns and one with a crown of barbed wire.
Does she need a crown?



I'd choose the barbed wire #2 as crude and cruel, without any of the religious connotations
of a crown of thorns. It would of course make my forehead and scalp bleed, you need to show that.


It's a strong manip, I like the intense facial expression, good muscles in the arms -
I'd like to be crucified in a loincloth like that, though I know Masters here don't generally approve,
they'd rip it off. The legs are nicely flexed, but the toes are a bit odd! The harsh desert setting,
the brutal rocks behind make a good contrast to the girl's nakedness.


I look forward to seeing more, Walt:devil:

Thank you for your input !!!
 
I see nothing wrong with the subject or treatment. Some like nails. Some like ropes. Many like crowns of thorns or flowers. There is an ongoing discussion on the sexiness of loincloths vs total nudity. All of this is up to you, and you won't get many complaints (unless you crucify Barb, and then it's more or less constant).

As to the composition, the various elements (woman, cross, base, background) are all good in their individuality, but that's sort of what they look like - individual elements. Some basic shadow work might help to make the crucifix look like it belongs more in the background (if that's what you're going for). I treat a manip sort of like a painting, and try to blend lighting, shadow, and colour using Photoshop. Your images all have a "collage" type feel to them, which again is fine, if that's your artistic intent. You may also be limited by whatever composition software you are using.

Anyway, just a few thoughts, and overall I like your images a lot. Do keep going. Also check out our Crucifixion Manipulation Construction Kit (in the Crucifixion section), if you haven't already found it. Lots of good resources there. Thanks for posting these. :)
Thanks for the input. I appreciate the feedback !!!
 
I agree with others, some of your questions are a matter of personal taste. Ropes, nails, crowns. I think I liked your first crown of thorns best, but it really is personal opinion. As for ropes and nails, it depends how well you do them. Nails really are easier to do convincingly, so my inclination would be to say they should be the choice for a beginner at photo manips. I also have a personal preference for nails, they are more dramatic and more, well, permanent! And I also prefer no nipple rings. But that's not relevant to your work as a budding manip artists.
One thing that struck me looking at your various versions was how the cross and figure seemed to move against the background from one pic to another. Is there a reason for this? It makes it look like each picture is unrelated to the others, each one is made separately rather than being variations on a single photoshop or paintshop file. How are you doing them? What tools are you using?
Like Jolly, I'd agree that the next step would be to get your components working better together. I'd also like to see the cutting out done more cleanly, this is a very common issue with those starting out in this field. Ragged edges just get to me!
Please take the comments constructively, and keep going. It is by doing and sharing that we improve!
 
Hi

Could someone explain, as simply as possible, how I start to get into
photo manipulations?
I am not very computer literate and so would need to be told in simple language.
If it is a no go, then please be upfront with me and I will just stick to stories.

Many thanks

William
 
Hi

Could someone explain, as simply as possible, how I start to get into
photo manipulations?
I am not very computer literate and so would need to be told in simple language.
If it is a no go, then please be upfront with me and I will just stick to stories.

Many thanks

William
Open a background image
1531935373923.png
open a shape from the CMCK or cut out a other shape:

cc007.png
Copy this shape in the clipboard and paste in the background file
Zwischenablage01.jpg
Adjust the size and placing of the inserted shape
Zwischenablage02.jpg

and a easy manip is done.
 
Open a background image
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open a shape from the CMCK or cut out a other shape:

View attachment 603894
Copy this shape in the clipboard and paste in the background file
View attachment 603895
Adjust the size and placing of the inserted shape
View attachment 603896

and a easy manip is done.

For the beginner, the CMCK really is a good resource. The trickiest thing for beginners is often the cutting out, getting a clean image to play with, cutting out and finding components for your vision.
Once you have some confidence you can start to alter the figures, add or change arms, hands, faces. Add nails, ropes, change backgrounds, etc. You can start to blend the components together better, to make a cohesive picture. Or add filters or special effects for a more artistic touch.
It really is a matter of jumping in and trying, and asking questions. Look at Wragg, he was a complete novice a short time ago and now he is producing a very interesting illustrated story.

http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/dux-rebellium.6844/

Software? I use Paint Shop Pro, I think Madi does too. The market leader of course is Photoshop, but there are others out there. Make sure you get something that allows multiple layers!
 
Thanks phlebas - I had a feeling that some type of expensive software was involved here. It's also very time-consuming to learn. I have a very simple image-manip program from the earliest days of computing that I try to use as much as possible to avoid having to go down the route of needing to be a retired millionaire in order to have the money and time to get into this type of thing. But the program that I use is better than nothing, but it's nothing fancy.
 
Paint.net is also a free and simple alternative for photo manipulation and use layers.
Available here:https://www.getpaint.net/

Here is a 12 minutes step by step YouTube video where i create a simple photo montage
with content that came mostly from the Cmck.
The video is unlisted please keep the link private


Image used in this video:

2017-05-01 20_13_57-Via di Polline - Google Maps.jpgcrucified151.pngmessa cruxed for manip10.pngp3d adele1348.pngp3d penny1.png
 
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Please once the video start playing click the "YouTube" logo in the lower right corner
to view the video in full size directly at the YouTube site.
Link youtube.jpg

If you follow the video (might need multiple viewing) you will end up with something that looks like this:
Tuto Pain.net1.jpg

Hope this help:)
 
Gimp is also a free and powerful image editor.

Here is a basic tutorial video using the same image
available in post #93 in this thread.
this time its only a 3'40" video for those that suffer
from ADHD :lol:

Yes and it exist also as portable app (working without installation from usb memory).
 
My stuff is really not "drawing" or painting except when i paint blood or whip mark over the skin textures of the 3d models
used in in my renders.

But if you just want to paint or draw there is some free software that can do the job as well or better
such as SpeedyPainter:http://speedypainter.altervista.org/

And if you own a drawing tablet such as those made by Wacom you will get better and easier results than with a mouse.
 
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