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A new St Eulalia story.

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Wragg

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#45
I am posting the story beginning again because I have missed out one of LOUM-ROTE's excellent renders and I'm not sure how to remove the previous post.
I am really sorry, but we have had to remove images of a young child observing a nude crucifixion from this thread, as they contravene site rules.
 

stepnash

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#46
Well that information amazes me, loum-rote and I have gone to a tremendous amount of trouble with this story to make it fit in with the site rules, since the main thrust of it has been to try and reproduce the legend of St Eulalia while modifying it to eliminate under 18 child nudism.
You must have missed out on some of my earlier stories for instance, "HOLY ANNA" where naked children are actually violated crucified and die on the cross !
I always that religious depictions drawings etc , were exempt from the law after all many of the legends of the virgin martyrs concerned under 18's.
Although we have tried it seems we are wasting our time on the site and have to seriously reconsider any future inputs, so all the terrible things that have happened must be carefully modified and censored even if they are portraying real religious events, I suggest we must set about closing down all the churches and burning all the religious images.
 

SeD

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#47
I am really sorry, but we have had to remove images of a young child observing a nude crucifixion from this thread, as they contravene site rules.
I am the author of the disputed pictures.
I would like to protest against a measure of arbitrary censorship. I write "arbitrary" because I published in 2015 in the thread "Meeting Anastasia" a picture called "Child Play" showing a young girl playing near a nude crucified woman. This picture was seen and liked by a lot of people without problem. Even Imagemaker liked it!
So what?
You are aware that we are speaking of numbers and procedures genating pixels giving more or less the illusion of a true scene.
If it was the photo of a true child exposed to the torture and nudity of an adult, I'd understand and support the measure. But we are speaking of bytes manipulated by a computer.
I'll make the same pictures with an adult Eulalia : same mesh without the modifiers giving a childish look, same skin, officialy a 18 yo young woman. Maybe should I produce her virtual passport to prove her age?
 

Wragg

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#48
First of all, I want to reassure you, SeD, that I thought the pictures were well and artistically produced, and if you post them again with an 18+ year old using the same composition you will get a like from me.

Nevertheless, the child Eulalia is expressly referred to as being 9 years of age. I hate quoting rules chapter and verse but here goes:

'Child pornography' includes any photos, videos, digital manips, drawings etc. etc. that appear to portray abuse of under-18s, or any sort of sexual activity involving or witnessed by under-18s (whether or not under-18s have actually taken part in the production).

We have a nude crucifixion, in the context of a site specialising in the erotic aspects of crucifixion that is clearly sexual, and it is being witnessed by a child, which breaks the rules. Simple as. Really sorry.

Pretty well everything we see is numbers and pixels. You have arranged those numbers and pixels in a way that depicts a child.

I hear the argument that children were abused, tortured and killed back in times like 308AD. Is this a historical essay on those events? If so, why is it being presented on Cruxforums?

I hadn't seen your 'Child's Play' image before, and to be honest I find that troubling as well, although the age of the observer is less explicit. I was not a moderator at that time, and I am unaware whether it triggered any discussion or reports.

Finally, the intention is not to act in an arbitrary or censoring way. The rules on child pornography are there to protect you, and me, and all our members from accusations of activity which is highly illegal in most of our countries, which is viewed with revulsion by most citizens, and upon which police forces do take action. You could argue that viewing images of crucified adults falls into the same category, but BDSM tends to be regarded more leniently as long as no-one is actually harmed. But bringing children into the equation can bring the sky down on all our heads. Best to keep them apart from the action, that's my advice.
 

SeD

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#49
Wragg,

The case "Eulalia Story" is closed. I am not going to carry on a storm in a glass of water. I'll follow the rules even if (in this case) I disagree with the rules.

It was not easy to see my work deleted, but your explanations make the thing a little more bearable.
 

thehangingtree

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#50
Wragg,

The case "Eulalia Story" is closed. I am not going to carry on a storm in a glass of water. I'll follow the rules even if (in this case) I disagree with the rules.

It was not easy to see my work deleted, but your explanations make the thing a little more bearable.
Life is a bitch at times... Do carry on!
 

Eulalia

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#51
Wragg,

The case "Eulalia Story" is closed. I am not going to carry on a storm in a glass of water. I'll follow the rules even if (in this case) I disagree with the rules.

It was not easy to see my work deleted, but your explanations make the thing a little more bearable.
Thanks SeD, sincerely - I for one like your pictures and Stepnash's story very much - for obvious reasons! :D
We moderators do our best, in our own time and unpaid, to keep the site a friendly, happy place,
only stepping in when we feel there's a risk of trouble -
the bottom line is, our service providers, XenForo, while generally very liberal and accommodating,
are understandably strict in the conditions they lay down for us, and if we breach them they could shut us down.
 

stepnash

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#52
With an even more modified first episode here is the finish of the Eulalia story, I feel we will attempt something less controversial in future
 

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stepnash

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#57
In spite of the original encouragement, and the huge amount of work involved, there seems to be very little interest in this type of semi-religious story, I will talk with the very talented artist as to whether we should completely remove the work.
 

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#58
In spite of the original encouragement, and the huge amount of work involved, there seems to be very little interest in this type of semi-religious story, I will talk with the very talented artist as to whether we should completely remove the work.
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