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I can only say agree and thx RR


There are a few other issues you might like to consider

1 No other art site removes editing writes from the author. This is a draconian policy instituted on the feeblest excuse and totally unnecessary. The rest of the art world doesn't have it. Why does this site? (big silence from admin so far)

2. To prevent the author editing his work and particular whether to display or withdraw their work is THEFT! Lousy stinking THEFT. Hiding behind your self imposed rules makes no difference - its barefaced THEFT! (again silence on this issue)

3. In a short time fetish artists are almost certainly going to be persecuted due to the outcry (in the uk at least) over child access to porn. Don't scoff (he's paranoid, right! Wrong!), because if you read how homosexuals were treated until recently you may be able to see that the 'righteous right' will pursue torture porn artists using all the snooping apparatus developed for tracing Paedos and Terrorists, and then demolish us. It won't be pretty.

By keeping so many of my postings visible on this site you are exposing me to a very high risk of being made an example of and being crushed. They will see me as a mainstream player and therefore a prime target. Thanks for nothing.

4. Since you are so reluctant to take down my posts I assume you like them. You may even be grateful that I took the considerable amount of time and skill to make the 3D models and write the salacious story lines. And now having enjoyed this you choose to oppose me on whether I can choose to display or withdraw my work - a normally respected right on every other art site. Not a very nice response to someone who has given you so much pleasure. In fact it's a kick in the teeth. Nice way to treat a friend!

5. Its a counter productive policy. There are very few original artists on this site. Most pics posted here are copies from other sources sometimes modified but not originals and frankly not very exciting. Yet you think it's clever to deny me my legitimate right to withdraw my art thereby discouraging me from ever posting here again. A shot in your own foot if ever I saw one

And by the way - It seems to me that most of the members who take the sites side don't produce a shred of original artwork. So how come they are so vociferous? It doesn't concern you. Go away! Come back when you have posted some decent original artwork and then your opinion will carry some weight.

As I say - Admin, please reconsider on 4 grounds:-
1. The children
2. Its theft
3. Its out of step with all other art sites
4. Danger to artists (in the uk at least)

Regards, but fast running out of patience :confused:
Poops

PS And as for RacingRodents statement (which sounds a bit like a lecture from my old school mistress with italicised emphases just in case I was too stupid to understand!)
"I for one read the site rules before applying for membership here, Ichose to accept them, I choose to accept them any time I post on this site. If I ever decide I do not then the solution is simple, I won't post."

I quote from my post 25 Sept
The second rule you quote (site control of posted art) was imposed after I joined, presumably when editing rights were withdrawn. I was never asked to agree to it and would have advised against it.

Thanks RR for quoting from the rules that you slavishly follow. I happen to think the rule is wrong. Do excuse me for my impertinence, but changing a rule is sometimes necessary eg like the ones about coloured children not being allowed to white schools. The bad rules eventually get changed simply because they are WRONG! Indefensibly WRONG! Wake up friend! :)

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Please try to keep you post civil.

1 Children are not allowed on this site, we will ban any user that turns out to be underage.

2 You posted it yourself without any conditions or restrictions. So how can this be theft?


3 This is not an art site, this is a forum. Big difference
People react to other posts. if stuff is deleted the threads don't make sense.

4 I could change your username to somthing that doesn't lead back to you.

Because this is a forum, not an art site, with volunteer crew that has better things to do then take down posts from users and clean up the resulting mess,
your posts will not be deleted.

Nowhere in the forum rules is promised we will delete posts on the request of users.

We as volunteer crew accept no responisbility that others might try to load on our backs.

I'm sorry but we cannot accomodate your request.

Regards,
Inge
 
Please try to keep you post civil.


I'm sorry but we cannot accomodate your request.

Regards,
Inge


Hi Inge

Kids only have to lie about their age to get access to CF. Its not very secure against inquisitive little minds. Token security only encourages them

I appreciate your offer to cover my tracks by changing my username. That is helpful. Thanks but it won't be necessary now.

Changing the archive may well be difficult and I sympathize but archiving my stuff was not my decision. Also I didn't know you and the team are giving your time by volunteering. Many thanks, you are doing a good job

However editing time limit on posts could be extended simply by disabling the current 35min or increasing it to a large number ( say 50 million ).

I can appreciate your reluctance as you rightly point out CF is primarily a forum rather than a gallery site. Clearly I have to post elsewhere if I wish to control the number of images visible at any one time.

And yes I'm afraid it is a form of theft. You are displaying my artwork without my permission and I repeat my request that you take it down as soon as possible.

Since you state you won't accommodate my request I have to say goodbye to all and slope off into the sunset. It certainly was fun while it lasted . . . :(

Pooper
 
Pooper we are sorry to see you go. But I must take umbrage with your accusation of theft and the 'unauthorized' display of your artwork.

First if you put anything on the web you are foolish to think you still 'own' it. Even if you copyright it it will get downloaded and shared and I doubt you would have deep enough pockets to go after those who repost it anyway.

If you art and or stories are good, they will be copied, shared, even maniped. Take it as a complement. If your art is that good have it displayed at an art house.

I never understood why artists expect their work to be sacred if they put it on the web...

So if you must leave I wish you well. But I think you should reflect on why you are both creating the art and stories that you do and why you post them anywhere then reconsider leaving

Sincerely
THT
 
Dear Site Admin
I note that my request for all my images to be removed has been completely ignored
I repeat - please remove them!

Its all very convenient for you to find excuses for not complying with my request but . . .

Since I was probably the only decent 'artist' (ie large number of completely original pics plus good story) you had on the site, it seems a bit stupid to be obstructive.
Your attitude ensures that I cannot post here again, thus depriving you and your membership of any more of my stories

If you were to bring your policy in line with other sites, things could be different . . .

Poops
 
Since I was probably the only decent 'artist' (ie large number of completely original pics plus good story) you had on the site -poop

Since I have written somewhere near 7 to 10 complete original stories in the time he has not finished one, and less than 5% of my pictures are not manip or original art, and the fact that he is using 3D graphics that once a scene is built it makes it quite easy to change the scene, and that his post production work consists of wanting me to find 3D glasses ...

No don't close the thread...

I occasionally lock prisoners in pits so they can wallow in shit and this is really a good supply...

Tree
 
I do think Pooper you should look at the web carefully , if you take the time to work out what www stands for you will eventually see it is World Wide Web. So if you dont copyright your work you can expect it to be copied. As Tree has said if someone copies your work take it as a compliment as long as they dont openly state that they own it. On my own pictures ( photographs) on the web they all carry a watermark in plain site.
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I do think Pooper you should look at the web carefully , if you take the time to work out what www stands for you will eventually see it is World Wide Web. So if you dont copyright your work you can expect it to be copied. As Tree has said if someone copies your work take it as a compliment as long as they dont openly state that they own it. On my own pictures ( photographs) on the web they all carry a watermark in plain site.
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Very arrogant! Clearly you have forgotten that I have said in previous posts that I am happy for my work to be copied when it's on display.

What I object to is CF continuing to display my work against my will. Reason: to protect inquisitive little children from discovering a large source of damaging material ie my collected picture stories. I had intended in future to show a few pictures at a time long enough for those who like them to copy them for their own use. I do not want them permanently on display.

Why you can't do as I ask is beyond me. I clearly live on a different planet - planet friendship, planet cooperation, planet look out for the kids, planet don't shoot yourself in the foot!

Please now delete my membership and stop sending any further emails to me.

Absolutely disgusted
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Ahem

Very arrogant!

This from the man who declared himself the only decent artist on the site...pro-negotiator's tip, avoid landmine statements like that as there is no way the admins could accede to your demands without insulting every other contributor to this site.

What I object to is CF continuing to display my work against my will. Reason: to protect inquisitive little children from discovering a large source of damaging material ie my collected picture stories. I had intended in future to show a few pictures at a time long enough for those who like them to copy them for their own use. I do not want them permanently on display.

Oh we are all such feeble creatures are we not. No memory and no capacity to check back against past threads. I would note you had great many images up for more than a year before you had your personal melt-down and decided you no longer wanted to. As we have discussed before your 'protect the kids' rallying cry is emotive but not accurate. Before coming to a conclusion on where I stood on the argument I tested the likelihood of an accidental search turning up your stuff on this site. Only the very specific search for Virginitia's Dream actually turned up the content on this site.

Why you can't do as I ask is beyond me. I clearly live on a different planet - planet friendship, planet cooperation, planet look out for the kids, planet don't shoot yourself in the foot!

Well as I noted earlier your clearly do not live on planet don't shoot yourself in the foot as you have already done so. I would strongly question all the others. As I have said I checked. Now most children have never heard of crux and are unlikely to look it up but poop, poo and pooper hold an unholy fascination. Fortunately there is plenty else of that before they come to your work.

Now as to co-operation you have made much about copyright and control. Again it seems you are assuming that none of us have ever in the real world written papers, articles or created art which we have then sought to have published professionally.

My experience of that is that no artist retains 'full control' of their work. Most publishers when you enter a contract with them seek some safe guards for themselves. Typical one being; that they gain an exclusive right to publish in a certain geographical location for a certain time frame.

When you publish on Crux Forums you allow that they have the right to retain, repost and reuse your submissions provided they acknowledge you as the author. You make a big deal about how the rules changed after you started submitting work and I might have some sympathy for that. So that is why I went and checked and I find you quite happily allowed images to remain up for the whole of 2012, indeed past my join date and into the period of the Dark Ages caused by the forum crash.

Only after then did you start to object.

Finally I wonder why it is that you seem mostly concerned that children (by which I assume you mean persons under 18) would be worse off finding your images in context with the story? It is not a bad story. The themes are of valour and defiance and redemption and love...without those themes the images are just torture porn or fantasy salaciousness. I don't feel it is a suitable story for younger persons but I certainly feel it is less unsuitable in context than single reposted images without any context or background.

This site has taken reasonable precautions against access by minors. There is a very low likelihood of accidental discovery and all the imagery is preserved in its proper context. Finally the great burden of risk falls on the Admins of this site and thus they have the right to make the rules as they see fit. We have the right to participate or not but we do not have the right to retroactively withdraw past participation.

If you do not wish to continue visiting this site that is your choice, just as previously you continued to post after the rule changes. Having posted after the rule changes however you cannot turn around and claim they do not apply to you.
 
Pooper,
When you accept terms of use, you agree that you transfer all rights to published words, pictures and video forum owners. Fully and partially.
This is the first.
But I'm a good man. I will delete your posts if you provide evidence that they belong to you.
This second.

Threat Locked.
 
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