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Naraku

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Besides which if you guys win, you're going to rape me, brand and collar me, rape me some more, whip me, rape me some more, humiliate me by marching me naked in front of my people, rape me in front of them, nail me to a cross, rape me before you nail my feet and then insult me while I'm hanging there.

Com'on, admit it, that's what you'd do ..............................

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I'm not into rape. But, my soldiers do require entertainment...
...also, they don't complain about their pay as much afterwards.:devil:
 

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I wouldn't rape you, tying you to he bed is just light bondage!
 

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At the risk of turning this thread into a spear vs sword debate....

The spear had economic advantages. A sword required at least two pounds a metal - and steel ain't cheap - and the skills of a sword smith and several days to make. A spear took less than a pound, could be made with cheaper metal and dozens could be cranked out by a blacksmith in a day. If you have to equip a large army, you're going to have to go with spears.
And horses...forget about it. Those things are really expensive. And, the spear, when properly used, could counter the horseman. The English attack on the Scottish schiltron is about the only thing they got right in "Braveheart".
And, knights were armed with spears too. They evolved into heavier lances, but originally they were spears.
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And, the Saxon shield wall held off the Norman knight, until they broke formation.
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When guns started to appear on the battlefield in the XVII century, they were very slow to reload. So, after getting off a shot or two, the gunner inserted a plug bayonet and turn their musket into....spears.
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The socket bayonet allowed the gun to be fired with a fixed bayonet. But, as Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain proved at Little Round Top, the gun could still be used as a spear.
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"I have to disagree with point #1. The phalanx pike was too long to be used effectively once an opponent was inside it but the classical Greek spear (pre-Phillip) is a very easy to use weapon due to its relatively short length and having a pointed butt cap so if the front got broken off it could be reversed. The limitation was the Greek method of fighting shoulder to shoulder, not the weapon itself. That being said notice the Greeks never moved to a mostly sword armed force (as the Roman's did to defeat the phalanx)."

Agreed, with reservations. The classic 4th century BC hoplite weapon was shorter and used with the shield to good advantage as a heavy infantry weapon (especially effective against lighter armoured infantry like the Persians in close quarters) but the Macedonian sarissa (with which Alexanders phalanxes conquered the world) was the one that faced the Romans two centuries later, and made the Greek formations too slow and unwieldy to fight the more manoeuvrable Legions ... which could fight as independent centuries or cohorts and turn and manoeuvre far quicker and more effectively than the long-spear armed Greeks.

Additionally, the Roman pilum wasn't your classical spear ... it was a throwing weapon that couldn't be reused by the enemy, and a rather nasty one at that. For close in work the Marian legions and legions for two to three centuries later relied on the sword and shield.

"Heavy cavalry has never been consistently effective against unbroken heavy infantry with long spears (you aim at the horse not the rider) the key here is unbroken. Cavalry will run down broken infantry every time."

Agreed, but as Crassus found out ... they will also nail weary, thirsty formations eventually ... and if they have ranged weapons often annihilate those formations quickly.

"Missile armed cavalry is different but as Richard the Lionheart proved on his Crusade PROPER tactics and application of heavy armored spear armed infantry works very well when supported by a small mobile (disciplined) heavy cavalry force."

Richard was assisted by the fact that the vast majority of the Saracen Army was rather poorly armoured, as well as the fact that both the European knight and horse of the time were pretty much covered in mail. In formations they were deadly for two or three hundred years.

Spears combined with heavy cavalry have been devastating throughout history ... beginning with Hannibal and his Numidians, through the 3rd century Roman Empire, the cataphracts of the Eastern Roman Empire, and finally the knights and nobility fo Europe ...

And then along came the long bow, the crossbow, and the gun ... and it all went to crap for the meticulously trained and skilled nobles.

"The Romans were masters at combined arms tactics and learning from their opponents."

Mmmm ... They were probably the first professional military. They learned from their defeats, and they learned from their victories. The big question for the Romans was always "how can we do this better?' They developed military engineering and tactics to a science. Before the Romans there were some gifted military amateurs (probably the greatest of whom was either Hannibal or Phyrrus), after the Romans ... war became a much studied science.

"They switched to a cavalry based army (generally about 30% of their deployed forces) because their opponents were mounted and heavy infantry can't chase a guy on horse back. But even then the heavy infantry was the base upon which their cavalry was manoeuvred and made up the bulk of the army."

Mmmmm ... probably for too long given what they faced in the third and fourth centuries AD. I suppose by that the 'The Legion' was fixed in their minds, but they could have done a hell of a lot better against the Visigoths and the Huns if they had more and a better mix of light and heavy cavalry that could be bought into play independent to the infantry.

"And the infantry pole arm was not "seen off" until AFTER the Thirty Years War (1630-40ish) and it was done so by a combination of personal fire arms (combined with volley tactics) and small maneuverable field artillery that could move with the infantry on the battlefield. The long and cross bows disappeared from European warfare before the pole arm did."

Yeah, but the pike (a combo spear, axe, hook and quarterstaff - and probably last incarnation of the spear) survived probably for too long IMHO. Especially in a 16th and 17th Century when artillery and little numbers like grapeshot came to the fore. Once the gun, even the unrifled variants that appeared over two hundred years, and cannon appeared all that could be said for pikemen was that they were cheap fodder regiments that existed mainly to be expended.

Still, the Hapsburgs, the Spaniards and the Swedes had a lot of fun wasting lives unnecessarily for a few years there. Thankfully Gustav-Adolf came along and showed them the error of their stick-in-the-mud ways.

Always a pleasure, Willow.


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OH GOD, she is so sexy! She can own me as a slave anytime she wants!

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I thought she looked familiar, so I did a little searching. The shot from the 1967 film "The Viking Queen". It was Hammer's only stab at a sword and sandal epic. It was also the second and apparently last movie for the star, a Finnish actress who only used her first name, Carita.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062443/
There are no Vikings in the movie. It's actually a very inaccurate version of the Boudica story.
The photo may be a publicity still. It was the basis for some advertising posters.
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