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I think that version is very believable - I think there are literary references that imply that, at least at the Sessorium and other places where Crucifixion was regularly carried out (including Golgotha?), upright stipites were kept in place, the rotting bodies on their patibula (unless they were taken down, with official permission, by family or friends, as Jesus was) were quite possibly not removed until the stipes was needed for a new convict. A simple wheeled trolley or portable platform kept handy at the place of execution would be all that would needed to crucify her a bit higher, to make her more conspicuous to passers-by. But if the Gospel accounts are to be believed, Jesus wasn't hanging very high, low enough to converse with his mother and John, be offered a sponge soaked in vinegar and gall, and be stabbed in the side with a spear.
In the middle ages, the tradition began depicting Jesus on a high cross because he was someone important.
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This tradition continued until fairly recently, influencing the way the crucifixion of Jesus was depicted even in movies,
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as well as influencing the way other crucifixions are portrayed.
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In reality, the Romans did not see Jesus as anyone important. In fact, they crucified him because he was claiming to be important.
 
The problem of the condemned hanging for minutes by the wrists only, can be overcome by having him/her standing on the ground when the patibulum is put on the stipes. Somehow like this pic Bobinder posted above in this thread:


The nailing of the feet could then be carried out by bending the legs and nailing sideward through the base of the ankles. This would imply that the condemned will not hang high above the ground, but with the head at normal headlevel. The toes will almost touch the ground, but this 'almost' makes a big difference.

Perhaps we got used to representataions of crucified hanging high above the ground, but maybe that is due to artistic paintings of a crucified Christ through the centuries. Maybe condemned were nailed to lower crosses.

Just a thought.
I think that version is very believable - I think there are literary references that imply that, at least at the Sessorium and other places where Crucifixion was regularly carried out (including Golgotha?), upright stipites were kept in place, the rotting bodies on their patibula (unless they were taken down, with official permission, by family or friends, as Jesus was) were quite possibly not removed until the stipes was needed for a new convict. A simple wheeled trolley or portable platform kept handy at the place of execution would be all that would needed to crucify her a bit higher, to make her more conspicuous to passers-by. But if the Gospel accounts are to be believed, Jesus wasn't hanging very high, low enough to converse with his mother and John, be offered a sponge soaked in vinegar and gall, and be stabbed in the side with a spear.

Actually I had in mind something like on this pic :

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This position does not need complicated hoisting techniques, but can start with the condemned's feet on the ground. The feet can even me nailed closer to the ground than on this pic, allowing the toe tips to touch the grass.

It also neeeds the stipes considerably less deeply achored in the ground as would be the case with a high cross.

To make the condemned on the cross more conspicous, one could still use a higher ground to put the cross on, like the elevated road side on this pic.
 
In reality, the Romans did not see Jesus as anyone important. In fact, they crucified him because he was claiming to be important.
I think that's likely to be the way they saw him. But the synoptic Gospels do make the point that he was crucified between two thieves, one on the left and one on the right, as if to signal his 'central' position, and that was taken up by commentators, and, once visual portrayal of the crucifixion became accepted (which it wasn't until after Constantine, when it had ceased to be used for executing criminals), Jesus' 'central' position was emphasised, e.g. making him a bit higher than the thieves:

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...and that was taken up by commentators...

"Commentators" ? Only St Jean was viewing the scene ! Marc, Luc and Matthieu have written their New Testament later without even having been present during the Passion ...
So, there was only one commentator and when we read what he could write in his "Apocalypse", we can doubt about his brain'health ... ;)
 
"Commentators" ? Only St Jean was viewing the scene ! Marc, Luc and Matthieu have written their New Testament later without even having been present during the Passion ...
So, there was only one commentator and when we read what he could write in his "Apocalypse", we can doubt about his brain'health ... ;)
Thankfully she is not talking about Tree....
 
"Commentators" ? Only St Jean was viewing the scene ! Marc, Luc and Matthieu have written their New Testament later without even having been present during the Passion ...
So, there was only one commentator and when we read what he could write in his "Apocalypse", we can doubt about his brain'health ... ;)


The expanse of the mind is nothing to condemn.
The elders could only see what was before them.
You teach to the flock you have before you.

It either makes peace or creates something worse.

What a fool believes!

Is how control is attained.

Yes?
 
"Commentators" ? Only St Jean was viewing the scene ! Marc, Luc and Matthieu have written their New Testament later without even having been present during the Passion ...
So, there was only one commentator and when we read what he could write in his "Apocalypse", we can doubt about his brain'health ... ;)

More than one in the antiquity did swallow psychedelic stuff from cactus but aphrodisia were perhaps forbidden.
But persons can sublimate the libido into spiritual visions received from God....

How nice to be crucified with energetic brewage before: they can give the time of suffering an interesting dimension.

For the spectators a sensation.
 
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