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Eulalia

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Decades ago there had been a saying that people form the eastern part of Germany are living behind the moon. Far from that being true - maybe Madiosi has a second residence there?
One more cheerful point about Lockerbie, it's in Armstrong country -
Neil Armstrong's ancestors were from Langholm, the next town to the east,
he was made a Freeman of the Burgh when he visited.
 

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Yes, I was just a kid, but of course the whole of our region was shaken to the core, and it's still very much part of local memory.
I worked for 4 years at Syracuse University and knew many students who did their semester abroad in England. Although it was several years after I left Syracuse, nearly 40 returning SU students were on that flight. So very sad...
 
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In reality, SS Politician, off Eriskay. But Compton Mackenzie used those names in Whisky Galore

Indeed. One of my favorite comic movies of all time. Of course, Compton, though being a fanatical Scots nationalist did manage to write on a wide range of topics from Monarch of the Glen to Lesbians on Capri!
 
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Quote from [U]admihoek[/U]

"1966. Off the coast of Spain in the Mediterranean, the Alvin submarine finds a missing American hydrogen bomb.
Alvin is a manned deep-ocean research submersible owned by the United States Navy and operated by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) in Woods Hole, Massachusetts. On March 17, 1966, Alvin was used to locate a submerged 1.45-megaton hydrogen bomb lost in a United States Air Force midair accident over Palomares, Spain. The bomb, found resting nearly 910 meters (3000 ft) deep, was raised intact on 7 April.


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What maybe you dont know is that there was not a single atomic bomb lost by the American pilot, but at least two of them. Another bomb was found in a net near the beach at Palomares by a local fisherman. The area remains lightly contaminated as can be detected by using a Geiger equipment. The radiation, not reaching dangerous levels, is however higher than normal. The accident in case the bomb(s) had exploded would have affected for decades the whole turistic southeast cost of Spain-
The Spanish external affairs minister,under the Franco's regime, Mr. Fraga Iribarne, bathed in the beach, toguether wth the USA embassador, while the radioactivity was still high, to prevent the public concern about the ill-effects of the radioctivity.
The local people were never compensated by the near-accident, nor by receiving a low level of radiation during their whole lifes. US army agreed not to fly (or play little soldiers) with hydrogen bombs over Spain, without previous Spanish authorization.

fraga-palomares.jpg
 

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Quote from [U]admihoek[/U]

"1966. Off the coast of Spain in the Mediterranean, the Alvin submarine finds a missing American hydrogen bomb.
Alvin is a manned deep-ocean research submersible owned by the United States Navy and operated by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) in Woods Hole, Massachusetts. On March 17, 1966, Alvin was used to locate a submerged 1.45-megaton hydrogen bomb lost in a United States Air Force midair accident over Palomares, Spain. The bomb, found resting nearly 910 meters (3000 ft) deep, was raised intact on 7 April.


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What maybe you dont know is that there was not a single atomic bomb lost by the American pilot, but at least two of them. Another bomb was found in a net near the beach at Palomares by a local fisherman. The area remains lightly contaminated as can be detected by using a Geiger equipment. The radiation, not reaching dangerous levels, is however higher than normal. The accident in case the bomb(s) had exploded would have affected for decades the whole turistic southeast cost of Spain-
The Spanish external affairs minister,under the Franco's regime, Mr. Fraga Iribarne, bathed in the beach, toguether wth the USA embassador, while the radioactivity was still high, to prevent the public concern about the ill-effects of the radioctivity.
The local people were never compensated by the near-accident, nor by receiving a low level of radiation during their whole lifes. US army agreed not to fly (or play little soldiers) with hydrogen bombs over Spain, without previous Spanish authorization.

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I seem to remember something waaaaay more important happened in 1966..........
 

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Quote from [U]admihoek[/U]

"1966. Off the coast of Spain in the Mediterranean, the Alvin submarine finds a missing American hydrogen bomb.
Alvin is a manned deep-ocean research submersible owned by the United States Navy and operated by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) in Woods Hole, Massachusetts. On March 17, 1966, Alvin was used to locate a submerged 1.45-megaton hydrogen bomb lost in a United States Air Force midair accident over Palomares, Spain. The bomb, found resting nearly 910 meters (3000 ft) deep, was raised intact on 7 April.


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What maybe you dont know is that there was not a single atomic bomb lost by the American pilot, but at least two of them. Another bomb was found in a net near the beach at Palomares by a local fisherman. The area remains lightly contaminated as can be detected by using a Geiger equipment. The radiation, not reaching dangerous levels, is however higher than normal. The accident in case the bomb(s) had exploded would have affected for decades the whole turistic southeast cost of Spain-
The Spanish external affairs minister,under the Franco's regime, Mr. Fraga Iribarne, bathed in the beach, toguether wth the USA embassador, while the radioactivity was still high, to prevent the public concern about the ill-effects of the radioctivity.
The local people were never compensated by the near-accident, nor by receiving a low level of radiation during their whole lifes. US army agreed not to fly (or play little soldiers) with hydrogen bombs over Spain, without previous Spanish authorization.

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That was one of 8 or 9 bombs the US lost.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/17483/8-nuclear-weapons-us-has-lost
As the article indicates, the Tybee Island bomb may or may not have been live.

It may seem funny that the US military lost so many bombs, but, you have to wonder how many the Soviets and Chinese may have lost that we will never hear about. At least when the US goofed they admitted it...sort of...eventually.

The list also doesn't include warheads onboard lost submarines.

The Palomares incident inspired a 1967 comedy, "The Day the Fish Came Out". I remember seeing it. It's not very good. The only noteworthy thing about the film is that it was one of Candace Bergen's early roles.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061553/?ref_=nv_sr_1
 
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Don't know where to post - this seems as good as any.

I haven't seen anyone note, again in contrast to our enjoyment of fictional Nazi torture stories.
Today is International Holocaust Remembrance Day. On 27 January 1945, Auschwitz-Birkenau, the largest Nazi concentration and death camp, was liberated by the Red Army.
 
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Don't know where to post - this seems as good as any.

I haven't seen anyone note, again in contrast to our enjoyment of fictional Nazi torture stories.
Today is International Holocaust Remembrance Day. On 27 January 1945, Auschwitz-Birkenau, the largest Nazi concentration and death camp, was liberated by the Red Army.
When Dachau (the first KZ if I recall and a site where many resistance members were killed) was liberated on April 29 by the 3rd Battalion, 157th Regiment of US 7th Army's 45th infantry division, the scene was so horrifying that some of the SS guards (the senior people had fled) were gunned down by Company I. General Patton, as governor of Bavaria, deciding that the incident was understandable given the three trainloads of bodied right outside the camp, dismissed all court martial charges. Some of the guards were beaten to death by inmates while the Americans looked the other way.
It has always been a mystery to me how anyone can condone the Holocaust (or Shoa), or deny it. Politics can be pretty poisonous.
 
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