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Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
No, that would have been the Golf Course Oath!Was this about Trump???
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
Excellent point, Loxuru! But we in the United States cannot judge France for a wrong date, when we celebrate our independence day on July Fourth, while the Second Continental Congress formally and legally declared Independence on July 2nd 1776.
On June 7, 1776, Richard Henry Lee made the motion:
Resolved: That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States, that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved. (something those independent Scots have yet to do)
A majority of the delegates supported the resolution, but for practical reasons (including that "a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation", for which they named a committee of Franklin, Adams and Jefferson), the motion was tabled until July 2 when it was taken up and passed. (BTW, I think those British think tabling a motion means placing it on the table for discussion. Americans know it means placing on the table to end consideration sine die)
The fourth is recognized because that was when Jefferson's extended Declaration was adopted.
I don't think they want to encourage swearing on tennis courts
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
Today, they have umpires to sanction that!I don't think they want to encourage swearing on tennis courts
Another 'milestone' 20th of June was in 1944, today 75 years ago. The Battle of the Philippine Sea, the largest carrier battle of WW II. It was fought during the American campaign to capture the Marianas. The battle ended in a defeat of the Japanese Navy, which lost three carriers, including the Shokaku, one of the veterans of the attack on Pearl Harbour. Even more important for the Japanese was the loss of nearly all that was left of its experienced pilots. After the battle, the Japanese aircraft carrier force did not exist any more as a real threat.
connoisseurs
Senator
200. birthday of Jakob „Jacques“ Offenbach, originator of the "Operette" (for all philistine - thats our kind of musical).
Best known is his "Cancan"
Moulin Rouge, 1889
"The real Cancan"
Best known is his "Cancan"
Moulin Rouge, 1889
"The real Cancan"
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
On June 21st 1919, the last casualties of World War One fell.
Following the Armistice of November 11th 1918, much of the German Imperial Fleet (Hochseeflotte), had been summoned into internment at Scapa Flow, which it did on November 21st. A fleet of 74 ships, including 16 capital ships (battleships and battlecruisers) awaited the outcome of the peace talks in Paris. On the interned fleet, morale, discipline and food were bad.
Halfway June 1919, the peace talks were nearing their end. Fear was growing among the German officers that the peace treaty would involve seizure of the Hochseeflotte by the victorious Allies.
So, the commander of the interned fleet, Admiral von Reuter, secretly worked out and prepared a plan to prevent this. The opportunity to carry it out, came on June 21st, when much of the British fleet had left Scapa Flow for an exercise.
At 11:20 am, von Reuter issued a signal from his flagship : “Paragraph Eleven of to-day's date. Acknowledge”. It was the order to scuttle the fleet, for which preparations had already been made the previous days. As the ships began to list, the crews hoisted the Imperial German Navy flag, before going into the life boats. The British fleet hurriedly returned, but came too late. Only a handful of ships was saved from sinking, among them only one capital ship, SMS Baden, which could be beached.
During the evacuation, British soldiers had opened fire on the lifeboats, killing, according to sources, nine or ten men, including the captain of the battleship SMS Markgraf. They were the last casualties of the war, which ended officially a week later, by the Treaty of Versailles.
The next two decades, salvage operations were undertaken to remove the wrecks. Three capital ships (battleships SMS König, SMS Kronprinz Wilhelm and SMS Markgraf) lay too deep, and are still on the bottom of Scapa Flow today. The last capital ship, battlecruiser SMS Derfflinger, was salvaged in August 1939, a month before the next world war would break out.
For the Germans, the scuttling had ultimately saved and restored the honor of the Hochseeflotte, a honor that had been stained by the sailor’s mutiny on October 29th 1918, as a reaction to the order to sail out for a suicide encounter with the Allied fleet. The mutiny was the beginning of a revolution that had made the emperor abdicate, collapse the German government and had lead the new one to demand the Armistice.
Following the Armistice of November 11th 1918, much of the German Imperial Fleet (Hochseeflotte), had been summoned into internment at Scapa Flow, which it did on November 21st. A fleet of 74 ships, including 16 capital ships (battleships and battlecruisers) awaited the outcome of the peace talks in Paris. On the interned fleet, morale, discipline and food were bad.
Halfway June 1919, the peace talks were nearing their end. Fear was growing among the German officers that the peace treaty would involve seizure of the Hochseeflotte by the victorious Allies.
So, the commander of the interned fleet, Admiral von Reuter, secretly worked out and prepared a plan to prevent this. The opportunity to carry it out, came on June 21st, when much of the British fleet had left Scapa Flow for an exercise.
At 11:20 am, von Reuter issued a signal from his flagship : “Paragraph Eleven of to-day's date. Acknowledge”. It was the order to scuttle the fleet, for which preparations had already been made the previous days. As the ships began to list, the crews hoisted the Imperial German Navy flag, before going into the life boats. The British fleet hurriedly returned, but came too late. Only a handful of ships was saved from sinking, among them only one capital ship, SMS Baden, which could be beached.
During the evacuation, British soldiers had opened fire on the lifeboats, killing, according to sources, nine or ten men, including the captain of the battleship SMS Markgraf. They were the last casualties of the war, which ended officially a week later, by the Treaty of Versailles.
The next two decades, salvage operations were undertaken to remove the wrecks. Three capital ships (battleships SMS König, SMS Kronprinz Wilhelm and SMS Markgraf) lay too deep, and are still on the bottom of Scapa Flow today. The last capital ship, battlecruiser SMS Derfflinger, was salvaged in August 1939, a month before the next world war would break out.
For the Germans, the scuttling had ultimately saved and restored the honor of the Hochseeflotte, a honor that had been stained by the sailor’s mutiny on October 29th 1918, as a reaction to the order to sail out for a suicide encounter with the Allied fleet. The mutiny was the beginning of a revolution that had made the emperor abdicate, collapse the German government and had lead the new one to demand the Armistice.
Naraku
Draconarius
The actual fighting had begun over a year earlier at Concord (April 18, 1775) and independence didn't come until the Treaty of Paris in 1783, ratified by the Continental Congress January 14, 1784. The Declaration only gave a justification to something that was already happening and wouldn't be over for 7 years.
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
I don't quite agree. The fighting earlier wasn't for any precise purpose and few thought of Independence. The treaty of Paris was Britain's recognition of Independence which America would argue was not required. A people's right to statehood is something they themselves assert (in this case through representatives). They declared it on July 2 and gave reasons on July 4. Under generally accepted laws of this country, we became an independent United States on July 2, 1776. We had to enforce it, but the law was set.
old slave
FELIS RESPICIENS
Not forgotten.
A joint service of commemoration held, on Scapa Flow and at the Naval Cemetary. Wreaths were also laid by a joint team of divers on a remaining wreck.
The German naval commander:
Rear Admiral Haisch said: "I am deeply touched by the heartfelt commemoration service that was organised by the people of Orkney.
"Commemorating what happened here 100 years ago also brings to mind how far we have come since those dark days. How from enemies we, the United Kingdom and Germany, have become true friends.
"Today, our nations stand side by side on the world stage, upholding the joint values we believe in."
see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-48717820
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Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
Still about the scuttling of the German Hochseeflotte at Scapa Flow, on June 21st 1919. Two remarkable details. Not all capital ships of the Imperial Fleet had been ordered into internment. Several were still in their home ports. These were the fleet's oldest captal ships at the time, the Deutschland class pre-Dreadnought battleships, that had been obsolete already at their launch in 1905. But also the oldest ships from the Dreadnought era, the much more powerful Nassau and Helgoland classes were not in Scapa Flow.
The Versailles Treaty denied Germany keeping the Nassau and Helgoland classes . They were distributed among the victors. One Helgaland class battleship, SMS Ostfriesland, was seized by the US. She was sunk on July 21st 1920 during air raid trials, set up by General Billy Mitchell, in order to demonstrate the vulnerability of such large battleships against air attacks. A much debated demonstration (Mitchell was accused of not having followed the rules of engagement, agreed for the test), also in the press.
So, the German Fleet only held the obsolete pre-Dreadnought Deutschland class ships that had survived World War One. They were gradually decommissioned in the years that followed, but SMS Schleswig-Holstein was still in service in 1939. In the morning of September 1st, she shelled Polish positions near Gdansk. This action is often reffered to as 'the first shots of World War Two'.
The Versailles Treaty denied Germany keeping the Nassau and Helgoland classes . They were distributed among the victors. One Helgaland class battleship, SMS Ostfriesland, was seized by the US. She was sunk on July 21st 1920 during air raid trials, set up by General Billy Mitchell, in order to demonstrate the vulnerability of such large battleships against air attacks. A much debated demonstration (Mitchell was accused of not having followed the rules of engagement, agreed for the test), also in the press.
So, the German Fleet only held the obsolete pre-Dreadnought Deutschland class ships that had survived World War One. They were gradually decommissioned in the years that followed, but SMS Schleswig-Holstein was still in service in 1939. In the morning of September 1st, she shelled Polish positions near Gdansk. This action is often reffered to as 'the first shots of World War Two'.
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
A peaceful scene, hiding not only the three scuttled Hochseeflotte battleships, but among others also the wreck of the battleship HMS Vanguard (blown up accidentally on july 9th 1917, with the loss of 843 crew) and of HMS Royal Oak (sunk at its berth by Günther Prien's U47 on October 14th 1939, with 833 casualties).
Naraku
Draconarius
50 years ago, the Gay Rights Movement was born on Christopher Street in Greenwich Village.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots
Happy 20th birthday to the Scottish Parliament!
Then let us pray that come it may,
(As come it will for a' that,)
That Sense and Worth, o'er a' the earth,
Shall bear the gree, an' a' that.
For a' that, an' a' that,
It's coming yet for a' that,
That Man to Man, the world o'er,
Shall brothers be for a' that.
Then let us pray that come it may,
(As come it will for a' that,)
That Sense and Worth, o'er a' the earth,
Shall bear the gree, an' a' that.
For a' that, an' a' that,
It's coming yet for a' that,
That Man to Man, the world o'er,
Shall brothers be for a' that.
old slave
FELIS RESPICIENS
That newspaper account was so typical of the era, it was not just advertisements that illustrate (hopefully) a different age.
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
Fifty years ago, on July 3rd 1969, Brian Jones, founder and original leader of the Rolling Stones, died in his swimming pool. Still today, there are a lot of speculations about the circumstances of his death (among which murder or theories).
Jones was 27 years old, the cursed age of rock stars (Jim Morrison, who died exactly two years later, Janis Joplin, Amy Winehouse,..).
Jones was 27 years old, the cursed age of rock stars (Jim Morrison, who died exactly two years later, Janis Joplin, Amy Winehouse,..).