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fallenmystic

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Some of you may have already noticed, but I have an obsession for a particular kind of BDSM fantasy. It is the image of filthy and naked slave girls forced to work inside a mine, like in the famous collection from Tibool. My current story deals with such a theme too, and I've been trying to create a video game in which you may experience the hardships being a slave girl in such an environment.

Before I started working on such projects, I once tried to create a Skyrim mod for a similar purpose. I had to abandon it before it could leave WIP stage, unfortunately. But today, the topic came up when I was chatting with another member of the forum on Discord, so I decided to post screenshots I took while I was working on that mod here.

Recently, I also began to create 3D assets matching the theme to be used in my hobby video game project, so I'll use this thread to post my progression after that.

So let's begin with the intake process:
 

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fallenmystic

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When the work is over they are subjected to a humiliating cavity search, not that there are many interesting things to steal in the mine:
 

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fallenmystic

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On a side note, I really wish there were more video games that provides a similar experience like that. 3D artworks are nice, but it's even nicer if you can actually get into the world and be one of the slave girls to experience it from your own perspective.

I enjoyed playing my mod with immersive first person camera which enhances the feeling that you are actually there. I always wonder how it'd feel like if I could play it with Skyrim VR.

I'll certainly try to support VR with my game project, but I don't own the device yet and it will probably take ages before it could approach the level I achieved with my mod using ready made contents of Skyrim. How nice it would be if companies like Bethesda made such games like that?

I know, I'm just daydreaming :)
 

KageKamen

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On a side note, I really wish there were more video games that provides a similar experience like that. 3D artworks are nice, but it's even nicer if you can actually get into the world and be one of the slave girls to experience it from your own perspective.
I'd love it to, but I think video games get enough bad press for violence and sexism already.

Delicious images as promised, even if some are out of order. Of course being me, I especially appreciate the frequent sight of the slaves crouching over buckets to do their business. (He didn't have time to mention it, but he actually wrote a script bi which they would need to regularly.) But even if there were none of those, I'd still appreciate seeing them working hard in chains, being locked up in cages and so on. And the slave brands? on each of them are nice too.

I presume the shots of guards carrying buckets are them filling the slave's food and water troughs?
 

fallenmystic

Governor
I'd love it to, but I think video games get enough bad press for violence and sexism already.
Hope I'm not derailing my own thread, but it's too interesting a topic for me to pass by :)

I believe I have quite a pecuilar view on this matter. In short, I think The Witcher 3, for example, could be a worse offender than my mod when it comes to sexism in video games. It's because I believe the context is what it really matters in such a problem.

When the premise of a game is to enjoy a D/s fantasy, the players have a clear idea that all those naked girls abused and humiliated in game are just for the fantasy, something you should never take it as normal or good in real life. But if a video game with a semi-serious medieval setting shows female 'warriors' all wearing skimpy armour pieces, it's not the premise of the game that manifests sexism, but the developer's own prejudices that do so.

It's been always amusing to me to observe how all major game studios try to conform to the political correctness by giving female characters the exact same physical abilities as the male counterparts, but still don't hesitate to treat them as sex objects for the dominantly male players to enjoy, which manifests in their character or costume design.

I think they are doing it the wrong way. Average females have inferior physical strength than males, and women in most medieval cultures hadn't enojyed the same sort of privileges as men had. So if they wanted to create a semi-realistic medieval world, they should have accounted for such differences. You can't change such things without challenging the authentic atmosphere. But what you can actually do is trying not to let your own personal sexist prejudices to creep into your fantasy.

The Witcher 3 is a great game, but it's undeniably a male fantasy - you are a handsome, muscular badass and pretty much every nubile female characters in game are there to please your eyes or satisfy your lust. Of course, I'm not saying such games are bad per se, but when pretty much every major game which features female warriors has to give them make up or some skimpy armour, I think such a tendency is a much more serious kind of a sexism than any actual lewd game that is specifically created for such a purpose.

I presume the shots of guards carrying buckets are them filling the slave's food and water troughs?
You are right :) And there's more actually. If you swing your pickaxe at the ore deposit sufficient amount of time, you can harvest a piece of ore. And in every few hours, the slaves are required to turn in the result. The guard will mark your breast how many pieces of ore you have mined, and will whip you if you haven't worked hard enough. At the end of the day, you will be given food proportional to the number of ore marks on your breast.

It has a significant implication in modded Skyrim, because if you don't consume enough food or water, you will get weak and die eventually. And the only source of food in that mine is what the guards give you at the end of your work each day.

I made it so that your stamina depletes fast when you swing your pickaxe, especially if your physical stat is low. And you will have to spend more time to get an ore piece when you don't have sufficient skills. When your stamina is completely depleted, you can't swing the pickaxe any more. Standing still or crouching on the ground will replenish your stamina, but if you get caught slacking like that by the guard, you will get whipped, and the rule applies to all other NPCs too. Also, if you suffer from malnutrition, or dehydration, your stamina will take a hit so it'll be more difficult to keep up with other girls.

I love how Skyrim allowed to add all such small details. But I had to give up eventually since it's unbelievably cumbersome and time consuming to mod it in certain other aspects.
 
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KageKamen

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Hope I'm not derailing my own thread, but it's too interesting a topic for me to pass by :)

I believe I have quite a pecuilar view on this matter. In short, I think The Witcher 3, for example, could be a worse offender than my mod when it comes to sexism in video games. It's because I believe the context is what it really matters in such a problem.

When the premise of a game is to enjoy a D/s fantasy, the players have a clear idea that all those naked girls abused and humiliated in game are just for the fantasy, something you should never take it as normal or good in real life. But if a video game with a semi-serious medieval setting shows female 'warriors' all wearing skimpy armour pieces, it's not the premise of the game that manifests sexism, but the developer's own prejudices that do so.
Some good points. However, for good or ill, the people who buy a game may have different reasons than it's creator for their interest. So I guess the question is, are you OK with handing real misogynists an emulator for their fantasies? But then, I suppose that sort of applies to all the stuff of that sort we do here.

I love how Skyrim allowed to add all such small details. But I had to give up eventually since it's unbelievably cumbersome and time consuming to mod it in certain other aspects.
Neat - a desperate struggle for one's life. Does being fed and watered more affect how often the slaves have to relieve themselves?
 

fallenmystic

Governor
Some good points. However, for good or ill, the people who buy a game may have different reasons than it's creator for their interest. So I guess the question is, are you OK with handing real misogynists an emulator for their fantasies? But then, I suppose that sort of applies to all the stuff of that sort we do here.
I wouldn't like real misogynists or racists to read my story or play my game (if I ever complete one). But we have tons of video games from major studios in the market in which you can stab, shoot, blow up, dismember other human beings. If the possibility of real life murderers or even mass shooters can play such games cannot prevent us from making and enjoying such titles, I don't see any reason why we should think differently when it comes to discriminating or abusing people, instead of murdering them.

Neat - a desperate struggle for one's life. Does being fed and watered more affect how often the slaves have to relieve themselves?
Yes, It just increases the counter so the character will need to relieve sooner.
 

KageKamen

Magistrate
I wouldn't like real misogynists or racists to read my story or play my game (if I ever complete one). But we have tons of video games from major studios in the market in which you can stab, shoot, blow up, dismember other human beings. If the possibility of real life murderers or even mass shooters can play such games cannot prevent us from making and enjoying such titles, I don't see any reason why we should think differently when it comes to discriminating or abusing people, instead of murdering them.


Yes, It just increases the counter so the character will need to relieve sooner.
A good point, although it could be read in more than one way - but I doubt violent games are going aniwhere. However if this was a professional production, I would still recommend broadening the gender options.

And I'm guessing that guards don't like it when they stop for that? Although they might overlook it if you just handed them ore.
 

fallenmystic

Governor
And I'm guessing that guards don't like it when they stop for that? Although they might overlook it if you just handed them ore.
My mod didn't leave the WIP stage, so the guard behaviour was quite simple. It just wanders around the room and choose a random slave in its line of sight to see if she's working or not. If not, if approaches and whips her.

NPCs were scripted to keep working during the work hours. But for the player character, you can do whatever you like, of course. So, if you decide to use the toilet bucket during the working hours, a guard will notice it sooner or later. And the player will probably go ragroll when whipped, still peeing as it rolls on the ground.
 

fallenmystic

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The above character in action. The skin texture is still a placeholder though. I won't start working on the skin because it's quite time consuming and it depends on a lot of different things that subject to change.

Probably I'm having too much fun with these test renders when what I really need to focus is to learn how to model clothes. I haven't made any serious clothes item in Blender before, so making a proper uniform for the overseers would be my next big challenge.

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Servus Venandi

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The screens have promise. I've never been patient enough to get too involved with Blender or the like.

The Witcher franchise is no stranger to the "sexism" charge, and a number of female characters were clearly designed for maximum sexual impact. On the other hand, they are by no means relegated to mere sex objects, as women in both the books and games drive narrative and are, at times, among the most powerful beings in the universe (Ciri, for example).
 

fallenmystic

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The screens have promise. I've never been patient enough to get too involved with Blender or the like.

The Witcher franchise is no stranger to the "sexism" charge, and a number of female characters were clearly designed for maximum sexual impact. On the other hand, they are by no means relegated to mere sex objects, as women in both the books and games drive narrative and are, at times, among the most powerful beings in the universe (Ciri, for example).
Thanks for the compliment! And I agree with you about the narrative quality of The Witcher 3, but that is also the reason why I find such occasional "everyone wants to sleep with Geralt" or "all sorceress must wear a sexy dress" kind of things to be rather jarring.

I still love The Witcher 3 (I haven't read the book yet, though) and one of the main reason why I do so is its characters and the atmosphere. In my opinion, it's one of the best video games that depict the gritty aspect of medieval environment. Compare it to Dragon Age Inquisition (which I also think to be a good game for different reasons), for example, and its capital city looks like a shobby movie set compared to the grandeur of Novigrad. Unlike in DA:I, people in TW3 actually look and act like medieval population, with their unrefined mannerisms and dirty clothes, and so on. So it provides me highly immersive feelings when all those people live their live in such a bustling city as Novigrad.

But as soon as those pinup sorceresses come up to seduce Geralt in their full make up and revealing outfits, it just shatters my immersion. It's all too clear to me it's now the developers - not the characters - talking to me "Hey, look all these beautiful girls we made for you. How about that?" so I can't really stay immersed any more.

Why sorceresses have to always look like that in a fantasy medieval world? :)

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And not just scorceresses, but also a sword woman too:

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Of course, the characters like Yennefer or Triss are very interesting to me. But there are moments even with those characters, when I have hard time to maintain my immersion, like when Triss suddenly let out exaggerated moans like a porn star in TW2 in the bath scene, or how Yennefer and Triss trick General to enact a psedo BDSM scene, and more.

I love naked girls, and I like video games that depict a fantasy medieval world. But I don't like it when too many games try to mix them in an obvious sexist male fantasy, while no respectable studio dares to make actual sex games with quality contents.
 
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fallenmystic

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Whoever played the game knows that sorceresses were using seduction as their main weapon, bewitching men, discarding them when no longer usefull ... I can count more occasions in the Witcher universe (game plus books) when the Lodge's members manipulate men in power (kings, witchers, whatever) than I can count ...
Yeah, I can clearly see how Vess must have used her fashion sense to her advantage, distracting her male opponents when she fights with a sword :p

This modern age snowflakery about oh, my, that woman was described as weak or sexy or whatever is just a personal alergy. Historically, women used the sexual card to their advantage all the time. Witcher is playing exactly on this. Too bad Saprowsky, the Polish author and the creative team at CD Project Red were not properly indoctrinated into this Western new political corect approach to the gender studies, lol. Thus they made a hugely succesful game, instead of a Ghost Busters with an all female cast. A rather shitty movie, but with a proper political corect attitute toward women.
I'm sorry but I think you've totally missed my points. As I already noted above, there's no denying that women in general are physically weaker than men, and also they didn't enjoy the same privileges as men historically. So, I actually respect those who made Mount and Blade, for example, for imposing such restrictions on female players in their medieval sandbox game for realism.

But it's a totally different thing, if female characters in video games are overly sexualized regardless of the context. Maybe you haven't noticed, but this is a thread to keep my personal 3D works that depict extreme objectification and sexual abuse of women (But I won't blame you too much for posting your works here, when I'm derailing my own thread like this). So, I suppose it should be clear to you that I don't have any problem with creating or enjoying such things in a proper context.

However, I don't want every video game I play to indulge such a male fantasy where even a female sword woman has to fight while baring her breasts. Again, I want to see more nude females in video games, but I certainly don't want every female characters in every game to flaunt their skin even when it would break the immersion.

When you play a semi-realistic medieval fantasy game and you find equal number of female warriors or rulers as male ones, that is when you can justly blame they may have pushed the PC card too far. But if you also find that all such female warriors still have to wear tight or skimpy armour, then you know that it's designed to indulge a male fantasy and can be criticized for sexism. Important thing to note here is that those two elements are not mutually exclusive but usually co-exist in a single title.

The game studios are often too afraid to antagonize the PC crowd but also they want to indulge the needs of their dominantly male audiences. So they just make female characters do everything males can, but just in sexy outfits.

And if you think such an aspect of The Witcher 3 to be 'realistic', I surely hope you don't imagine every girl you meet in real life is always dying to sleep with you, because that is pretty much how every good looking female character acts like in that game (except for Ciri, for an obvious reason) when they talk to Geralt.

I don't think it is any 'snowflakery' to be able to discern the difference between the real life, a BDSM fantasy, and a video game with semi-authentic medieval settings.

I believe it's called 'common sense', instead.
 
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