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Andyman

Governor
Every man can marry the woman he love, that's truth, isn't it?

And every man, even legally married, can fall in love with her own slave girl, and sleep with her, right?

And every wife during her husband's absence can accuse this slave girl of some little theft and let the soldiers to crucify her, doesn't she?

Of course, she does, if only she has got eight sesterces to pay them. And see: I have exactly eight sesterces in my purse, what a coincidence it is, isn't it, my dear Helen?

So, now I can play a role of the wife of an absent husband and I am sure you will be great playing a role of a crucified slave girl, am I wrong?
 

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madiosi

Depictor of Dreams
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Every man can marry the woman he love, that's truth, isn't it?

And every man, even legally married, can fall in love with her own slave girl, and sleep with her, right?

And every wife during her husband's absence can accuse this slave girl of some little theft and let the soldiers to crucify her, doesn't she?

Of course, she does, if only she has got eight sesterces to pay them. And see: I have exactly eight sesterces in my purse, what a coincidence it is, isn't it, my dear Helen?

So, now I can play a role of the wife of an absent husband and I am sure you will be great playing a role of a crucified slave girl, am I wrong?
To be a beloved slavegirl is a big shit.
 

Andyman

Governor
As you know, there are (or were) two main options for executioners: option 1 which is to secure maximum of the physical pain to the victim in a relatively short time due to the scourging, nailing, impaling, breasts cutting, breaking of legs, burning alive etc. and option 2 while the goal is to secure the slow agony prolonged to the extents, when the main sources of the suffering are hunger, thirst, night cold or sunshine heat, being eaten alive by worms and insects, and last but not least psychical torment of being humiliated, expulsed, unwanted, worthless and hopeless. The second option required some kind of support under the feet or under the crotch of a victim. The sedile is okay but sometimes we want to humiliate a victim a bit more, especially because the sedile itself partially covers his/her crotch from the spectators. Penetration of anus and/or vagina with some wooden devices looks the most wanted, but...

...but there is a technical query regarding "option 2 crucifixion": how to impale victim tormenting him or her sexual zones with doing no real harm (as speeding up death will be the most unwanted result of wounding his/her intestines in this case)?

Maybe the sedile + short cornu(s) combination is an answer. It could be designed in two versions, for males and for females. It is pure fantasy and non-verifyable hypothesis, but looks for me strongly sexually humiliating and cruel enough to be at least probable. How do you feel?
Technical matter - part 2

Regarding the "female" horned sedile, we are sure that the best option would be to push cornus in both >holes< together, however during this action we would encounter significant difficulties: the best arrangement of the two spikes was not a parallel, but a significantly converged one, however inserting of sharp tips of two converging cornus into both body openings in the same time is impossible, as the distance between the tips should be approximately one inch, while the distance between the vaginal and anal openings is several times bigger.

The most simple solution in my opinion would be to use the sedile block with the rear cornu fixed with the front spike being hammered into the pre-drilled hole after the rear one fully inserted into the victim's anus. The process was schematically shown on my sketch. The executioners should:
- lift the condemned up over the top of the cornu,
- let her slip down, inserting the cornu sharp tip into her anus, until she was fully penetrated by the horn i.e. until her crotch touched the top of sedile plank. With no support for her feet it wouldn't take long,
- fix the patibulum at this level or slightly lower,
- nail her feet, estimating the level of the nails. Note: even if she would fully straighten her legs, the tip of the cornu shall remain inside her body, preventing her from escaping from impalation,
- hammer the front spike into the hole in the sedile plank. After the tip of the spike emerged over the surface of the sedile, the executioner should insert it directly into the vagina of the condemned using his palms, while his comrade should continue hammering the spike slowly with gentle strokes. Then he will proceed with full his power to impale the genitals of the condemned woman. It would be the most painful and perhaps the most humiliating phase of the whole crucifixion,
- in the final position both spikes should be driven less or more deep into the intestines of the victim. In an extreme case the tips of both spikes could touch to one another.

According to some (much later) Spanish sources, concerning death penalty by impalation, this was the most painful method of impaling women and they experienced that the female victims of "a double impalement" were not even able to emit any voice during the hammering due to the extraordinary muscle tension and painful spasms.
So we can be sure that merging crucifixion with impalation (and maybe with final burning the victim down when she was still alive) was one of the most cruel method of annihilating the human being ever invented.
 

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Andyman

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Addendum: how the double impalation (see my previous post above) could look like.

The condemned is not able even to fully straighten her knees, because lifting the body up is limited by the converging spikes in the similar way as the staple cannot be removed from the file of paper sheets when its ends are even partially bent. Her body could be lifted up more only by some external force but it would really tore apart her intestines and kill her due to the massive bleeding. And it is far too painful to do it with the power of her own muscles.
 

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Juan1234

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Technical matter - part 2

Regarding the "female" horned sedile, we are sure that the best option would be to push cornus in both >holes< together, however during this action we would encounter significant difficulties: the best arrangement of the two spikes was not a parallel, but a significantly converged one, however inserting of sharp tips of two converging cornus into both body openings in the same time is impossible, as the distance between the tips should be approximately one inch, while the distance between the vaginal and anal openings is several times bigger.

The most simple solution in my opinion would be to use the sedile block with the rear cornu fixed with the front spike being hammered into the pre-drilled hole after the rear one fully inserted into the victim's anus. The process was schematically shown on my sketch. The executioners should:
- lift the condemned up over the top of the cornu,
- let her slip down, inserting the cornu sharp tip into her anus, until she was fully penetrated by the horn i.e. until her crotch touched the top of sedile plank. With no support for her feet it wouldn't take long,
- fix the patibulum at this level or slightly lower,
- nail her feet, estimating the level of the nails. Note: even if she would fully straighten her legs, the tip of the cornu shall remain inside her body, preventing her from escaping from impalation,
- hammer the front spike into the hole in the sedile plank. After the tip of the spike emerged over the surface of the sedile, the executioner should insert it directly into the vagina of the condemned using his palms, while his comrade should continue hammering the spike slowly with gentle strokes. Then he will proceed with full his power to impale the genitals of the condemned woman. It would be the most painful and perhaps the most humiliating phase of the whole crucifixion,
- in the final position both spikes should be driven less or more deep into the intestines of the victim. In an extreme case the tips of both spikes could touch to one another.

According to some (much later) Spanish sources, concerning death penalty by impalation, this was the most painful method of impaling women and they experienced that the female victims of "a double impalement" were not even able to emit any voice during the hammering due to the extraordinary muscle tension and painful spasms.
So we can be sure that merging crucifixion with impalation (and maybe with final burning the victim down when she was still alive) was one of the most cruel method of annihilating the human being ever invented.
Love your technical analysis, Andyman! Do you have a reference for the Spanish source on double-impalement?
 

Hangnail

Governor
Some contrast-emhanced versions
 

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Andyman

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Love your technical analysis, Andyman! Do you have a reference for the Spanish source on double-impalement?
For this very moment - perhaps they are nowhere. I rather based on some tradition but it is not documented. I found it on the Spanish wikipedia few years ago, where there was a detailed description (exactly the same information which I reposted here plus something regarding the metal coverings on the sharp tips of both poles, sometimes being heated red hot before hammering into the body perhaps to minimise bleeding and maximise torment, in some cases preceded by raping the victims, plus general info that many of the victims of the impalement were women, often accused on adultery or robbery) but it was the "citation needed"-type information, lacking for example any info regarding the historical period which should be crucial (i.e. who used such form of execution - ancient Celtiberians? Visigoths? Arabs? Christian kings of Castille and Aragon?). As a result, some two or three years ago this part of text was removed from wikipedia due to the lack of sources. So, it is not historically confirmed.

However being familiar with the numerous methods used by our predecessors in order to make the death of their brothers and sisters as unpleasant as possible, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it would have been truth... Paraphrasing a famous pass, [even if some actions seemed inhuman] if one person was able to imagine something of a kind, there would be for sure another person stupid or cruel enough to be able to take this actions.

The same concerns the defloration of the virgins in Roman Empire before killing them: perhaps it was not included in the official regulations but we all know that abusing of the defenceless enemy women, prisoners of war or persecutions victims was so customary and routine that being raped before the crucifixion or burning or being impaled must be rather more than less probable. The only open question (regarding both the Spanish impalement and a Roman crucifixion) is: could it be done openly - on the sight of crowd of witnesses just before execution - or rather in unofficial way, in the prison in the night before? In my opinion the second option was far more probable during the execution in the circus and in general on Roman grounds (a crucifixion), or in the city (a Spanish impalement), while the first option was perhaps common during the war operations or pacification of rebelling barbarians out of the state borders.
 
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Andyman

Governor
After the unsuccessful siege of the Roman fort, the barbarian prisoners of war were forced to rebuild the damaged stronghold walls and to make them far more high and strong, replacing the wooden and clay ramparts with the solid masonry work with four high watching towers. Some of them, less skilled, were preparing the bricks, while some other built the earthenware furnaces and burned them, while the most skilled erected the walls. Few captured women were working as well, bringing water, keeping the fire and cooking the food for the workers. But the most numerous slaves were needed to transport the bricks and mortar and other building materials from the brickyards and workshops to the top of the hill. So, when one of the slaves was sentenced to death the best place tu crucify her was the slope of the hill, where she could be watched by all the slaves walking up and down the path, as a warning sign to all disobedient individuals, very efficient, even if the men tried to tilt their heads and to look away in attempt to make the cruel fate of her sister less painful.
 

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Andyman

Governor
A rich woman, apparently a Jewish one, had been kept as a hostage by the Roman governement and after the first bloody strike of the rebels she was immediately sentenced to be crucified. She tried to escape the most humiliating aspect and to make a deal with the soldiers, asking them to keep her loins covered for a significant sum of gold money from her family in return, but this time the centurion who lost two of his men in the assault was a martinet.
 

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Andyman

Governor
When the son of Athelanus, one of the Gaul leaders, had been imprisoned by the Roman legate, the Celtic warriors prepared an instant assault. They attacked in the morning of his planned execution and with a great effort and big dose of luck they succeed with setting the young man free. You can see him far to the right, nude and unarmed, running away as swift as he can. However the Romans were prepared for such a move. Two additional cohorts were deployed immediately and the losses of the tribesmen increased. And when the Gaul chieftains saw the galloping auxilliary Gothic horsemen they immediately gave signal to retreat. The young prisoner was finally rescued but the barbarians were defeated and crushed: over two hundreds of corpses of the dead Celts swordsmen covered the battlefield while the legions gained the victory. Roman infantry lost only 30 killed in action and some 20 wounded. And the attackers didn't relieve the companion of the Athelanus' son, who is not important for them and so she's not worthy risking lives of more warriors. She is still standing at her cross, nude and tied, with the hope fading in her heart. Now she will pay twice the sentenced price to satisfy Romans' anger after the escape of a young chieftain and death of thirty legionnaires...
 

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Barbaria1

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When the son of Athelanus, one of the Gaul leaders, had been imprisoned by the Roman legate, the Celtic warriors prepared an instant assault. They attacked in the morning of his planned execution and with a great effort and big dose of luck they succeed with setting the young man free. You can see him far to the right, nude and unarmed, running away as swift as he can. However the Romans were prepared for such a move. Two additional cohorts were deployed immediately and the losses of the tribesmen increased. And when the Gaul chieftains saw the galloping auxilliary Gothic horsemen they immediately gave signal to retreat. The young prisoner was finally rescued but the barbarians were defeated and crushed: over two hundreds of corpses of the dead Celts swordsmen covered the battlefield while the legions gained the victory. Roman infantry lost only 30 killed in action and some 20 wounded. And the attackers didn't relieve the companion of the Athelanus' son, who is not important for them and so she's not worthy risking lives of more warriors. She is still standing at her cross, nude and tied, with the hope fading in her heart. Now she will pay twice the sentenced price to satisfy Romans' anger after the escape of a young chieftain and death of thirty legionnaires...
Great action scene and back story, I can feel the fading hope in her heart. :p
 
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