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The Real Historical Female Jesus

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That's fascinating, Loxuru. I knew about the meaning of the name "watervliet" in Dutch, but not about the town in Belgium. The Dutch were the original settlers of the Hudson Valley (after the Native Americans of course) and their customs, laws and language lived on for quite some time, even after the US became a country. The first US President born after independence, Martin van Buren, grew up speaking Dutch at home and is still the only President for whom English was a second language.
 
Windor, are you implying Barb's fat??? ...and I can always find a tavern, you buffoon!!!

Where did we ever say Barb was in this story? OK, she wrote a chapter, but she's not IN it, because it's real history and she wasn't around in 1780. And if you want to argue that point, then you're really in trouble, my friend, for implying that she's 250 years old. That should be worth a bushel of demerits:spank::spank::spank::spank::spank::spank::spank::spank:
 
Where did we ever say Barb was in this story? OK, she wrote a chapter, but she's not IN it, because it's real history and she wasn't around in 1780. And if you want to argue that point, then you're really in trouble, my friend, for implying that she's 250 years old. That should be worth a bushel of demerits:spank::spank::spank::spank::spank::spank::spank::spank:
Damn I am doing good today!!! And Barb doesn't look a day over 30!!!
 
Just letting everyone know that the ebook is now in the archives. Unfortunately, the musical interlude "Simple Gifts" wouldn't work inside the pdf, but the YouTube link is in the archives along with the book.

Thanks to Madiosi and Eul for their help with the ebook and of course to Phlebas for the great pic and Barb for the guest chapter.
 
Great work, Windar and Barb. We feel for her, her suffering unjust and yet accepted, her stubborn faith leading her to that hardest of paths.



And great setting of the scene. The crowd hungry for her shame and suffering, yet also brought to silence by the reality of what they are doing, what they are witnessing. As her clothes are stripped away, and then her flesh, we move finally to her dignity and her humanity. She is lower than an animal, a human stripped of her rights, yet she stays fixed to her path.

I hear the collective gasp rise up throughout the land of CF
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An unbelievable erotic pic!
 
Epilogue

First, let us address the question of historical accuracy in the story. The details of Ann Lee’s birth, early life and the establishment of the Shaker settlement at Watervliet, New York are as history records. So is the fact that she and other Shakers journeyed throughout the region preaching and recruiting converts. She did, indeed, go to Shirley, Massachusetts because there were, as mentioned in the story, some people there who were sympathetic to the Shakers. A Shaker village was established at Shirley in 1793, which continued to exist into the early 20th century and is now a museum.

What in the story is NOT historically accurate? Principally one thing-Ann Lee was not crucified. No one was crucified in Massachusetts (or New York, either); even the falsely accused Salem witches were hung, not burned at the stake or crucified. She was actually roughed up by a mob in Shirley on one occasion while there preaching, but she was not jailed or whipped and certainly not crucified. So, in the story that was a fever-induced vision. Did Ann Lee actually have such a vision? History does not record that, but her belief that she was the Second Coming of Christ in female form seems to have been quite genuine in her own mind and that of her followers. Given that, I don’t think it stretches credulity to imagine that she might have had a dream about being crucified.

Ann Lee died not too long after this story, in 1784, of natural causes, and was buried at the Shaker settlement in Watervliet. The Shakers continued on after her death and in fact prospered, establishing a number of settlements in New York and New England and later in Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana as settlers moved west. In their settlements, the Shakers lived communally, with all property owned in common and everyone living in single-sex dormitories. A sort of celibate Christian Socialism, if you will.

They reached their height during the Second Great Awakening of the 1830s and 1840s, a period of religious revival in the United States, when many different cults and sects arose. At their peak, there were more than 6000 Shakers who believed that Ann Lee had been the female Christ (Authors note: Accurate numbers are hard to come by, but that may not be very different from the census of Christians in 80 AD, 50 years after Jesus died). The Shakers continued to have women among their leaders throughout.

Eventually, their model proved unsustainable, largely because of celibacy. They depended for new members on converts, particularly young orphans from the streets of cities like New York and Boston, and there were just not enough of them. Today, only one active Shaker settlement remains, at Sabbathday Lake, Maine, currently populated by two elderly women and two younger men. Had they not been celibate, though, one could imagine that the Shakers might be thriving today, like another religious movement that started in New York in the 1820s, the Latter Day Saints, or Mormons, who number over 15 million around the world.

Despite their eventual decline, the Shakers made important contributions in architecture, furniture design, crafts and music, having influence in the broader culture well outside their communities. They were also known as early adopters of technology and inventors of many advances in agricultural and industrial technology, including the circular saw and the first wheel-driven washing machine.

Thanks to all who read this story and particularly to those who took time to comment.

Extra special thanks to Barbaria1 for critically reading it and encouraging me to post it and of course for contributing an absolutely killer chapter.




Ann Lee's grave at the Watervliet Shaker site View attachment 436093

A couple of examples of Shaker furniture. They are shown in museums around the worldView attachment 436094View attachment 436095

The 1826 round stone barn at Hancock Shaker Village, Massachusetts View attachment 436096

The circular saw invented by a Shaker woman, Tabitha Babbitt in 1813View attachment 436097

A Shaker washing exhibited at the Centennial Exposition in Philadelphia in 1876 View attachment 436098

Another wonderful windar/barbaria-co-production. It´s a pity that my english vocabulary isn´t sufficient to do justice to your Story.
 
Another wonderful windar/barbaria-co-production. It´s a pity that my english vocabulary isn´t sufficient to do justice to your Story.

Thank you very much:) but I think your English is excellent and doesn't need any apologies. I'm glad you liked the story; it's one I enjoyed writing because of the real local history and the real historical figure.
 
Epilogue

First, let us address the question of historical accuracy in the story. The details of Ann Lee’s birth, early life and the establishment of the Shaker settlement at Watervliet, New York are as history records. So is the fact that she and other Shakers journeyed throughout the region preaching and recruiting converts. She did, indeed, go to Shirley, Massachusetts because there were, as mentioned in the story, some people there who were sympathetic to the Shakers. A Shaker village was established at Shirley in 1793, which continued to exist into the early 20th century and is now a museum.

What in the story is NOT historically accurate? Principally one thing-Ann Lee was not crucified. No one was crucified in Massachusetts (or New York, either); even the falsely accused Salem witches were hung, not burned at the stake or crucified. She was actually roughed up by a mob in Shirley on one occasion while there preaching, but she was not jailed or whipped and certainly not crucified. So, in the story that was a fever-induced vision. Did Ann Lee actually have such a vision? History does not record that, but her belief that she was the Second Coming of Christ in female form seems to have been quite genuine in her own mind and that of her followers. Given that, I don’t think it stretches credulity to imagine that she might have had a dream about being crucified.

Ann Lee died not too long after this story, in 1784, of natural causes, and was buried at the Shaker settlement in Watervliet. The Shakers continued on after her death and in fact prospered, establishing a number of settlements in New York and New England and later in Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana as settlers moved west. In their settlements, the Shakers lived communally, with all property owned in common and everyone living in single-sex dormitories. A sort of celibate Christian Socialism, if you will.

They reached their height during the Second Great Awakening of the 1830s and 1840s, a period of religious revival in the United States, when many different cults and sects arose. At their peak, there were more than 6000 Shakers who believed that Ann Lee had been the female Christ (Authors note: Accurate numbers are hard to come by, but that may not be very different from the census of Christians in 80 AD, 50 years after Jesus died). The Shakers continued to have women among their leaders throughout.

Eventually, their model proved unsustainable, largely because of celibacy. They depended for new members on converts, particularly young orphans from the streets of cities like New York and Boston, and there were just not enough of them. Today, only one active Shaker settlement remains, at Sabbathday Lake, Maine, currently populated by two elderly women and two younger men. Had they not been celibate, though, one could imagine that the Shakers might be thriving today, like another religious movement that started in New York in the 1820s, the Latter Day Saints, or Mormons, who number over 15 million around the world.

Despite their eventual decline, the Shakers made important contributions in architecture, furniture design, crafts and music, having influence in the broader culture well outside their communities. They were also known as early adopters of technology and inventors of many advances in agricultural and industrial technology, including the circular saw and the first wheel-driven washing machine.

Thanks to all who read this story and particularly to those who took time to comment.

Extra special thanks to Barbaria1 for critically reading it and encouraging me to post it and of course for contributing an absolutely killer chapter.




Ann Lee's grave at the Watervliet Shaker site View attachment 436093

A couple of examples of Shaker furniture. They are shown in museums around the worldView attachment 436094View attachment 436095

The 1826 round stone barn at Hancock Shaker Village, Massachusetts View attachment 436096

The circular saw invented by a Shaker woman, Tabitha Babbitt in 1813View attachment 436097

A Shaker washing exhibited at the Centennial Exposition in Philadelphia in 1876 View attachment 436098

Great story Windar and Barbaria1! I enjoyed the historical points and how they mixed with the crucifixion parts of the story :)
 
It's noteworthy that the sheriff told Ann Lee, “You must bare yourself to the waist for punishment as required by the law.” Indeed, the Whipping Act as amended in 1590 specified that prisoners, regardless of sex, had to be stripped to the waist when they were whipped. And the fact that it would leave Ann indecently exposed in front of everyone was an added punishment. Another added indignity was having to endure her punishment barefoot "as a penitent would be." Ann was fortunate to be standing on grass, but having to go barefoot could have significantly added to her torture if she had been whipped at the cart's tail over cobblestones or a gravel-strewn dirt road.
 
the Whipping Act as amended in 1590 specified that prisoners, regardless of sex, had to be stripped to the waist when they were whipped.
The context being that, before that Act of Elizabeth I there was nothing to stop them being stripped naked, it was meant to promote a degree of decency. The Act continued, 'and be whipped till the back be bloody'.
 
The context being that, before that Act of Elizabeth I there was nothing to stop them being stripped naked, it was meant to promote a degree of decency. The Act continued, 'and be whipped till the back be bloody'.

Regarding Passion plays and 'the real female Christ'........nothing new under the sun....here is a link to some women performing a passion play a long time ago....... I would have loved to watch that performance....

 
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