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What makes a story erotic or not for you?

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agree with Tiredny about what area of my brain I want to be stimulated by reading the stories here.
For those interested in exactly WHICH areas, I refer you to this article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5711964/
Barbaria wrote a really hot, fully consensual, lesbian scene.
I guess I did, didn't I? :devil:
Only one? :confused: Which one of the many are we talking about?
One of my least favorite tropes in this genre is the woman who discovers a deep, sexual need for the tortures and abuse she is forced to endure, but Windar's Priya is one of my favorite characters, and she is a cane-slut.
Well, if you pit it that way...;)

But one of the great things about this site is the wide range of well written stories.
That is something we can probably all agree on.
And while we're on the subject, don't neglect to let the writers know your opinion of their efforts. It's great to get "likes," but personally, what keeps me going as a writer is the comments of readers, whether positive or negative. I don't write "Just for myself." I want my writing to appeal to readers. Sure, you can't please everyone, and ultimately a writer has to write according to his or her own judgement, but still, I think most writers really appreciate feedback.
Again, I don't think anyone will argue that point.
 
The idea of a modern young posh white woman (or women) undergoing the very same brutal treatment as people from the past (i.e. crucifixion, galley slaves, antebellum slavery) is a big turn on.
Oh my god, for me too. I have several story ideas with that theme in mind. I wrote one for a paysite involving a time traveler who runs afoul of the Inquistion. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy.
I'm so glad you quoted me Jon Smithie. "Slavery 101" is one of my top favorites of all times.
And I'm also glad that you are planning to write more on that lines. I promise I'll comment!
 
Not necessarily. A common theme in this genre is someone who accepts a caning or whipping or some other punishment to avoid something that they might find worse-exposure of some terrible secret, loss of status or a. As they are suffering, they may regret the choice, but by then it's too late.:eek:

OK, windar, I think I understand your comment, but I would argue that the situation you described is still non-consensual. After all, the person did NOT request the caning/whipping. They "reluctantly accepted" it in lieu of a worse (to them anyhow) outcome.

In my story the two late inmates accepted a paddling, but NOT because they wanted or would get "turned on" by the paddling. They accepted because they knew much worse was in store had they NOT accepted. This cycles back to my favorite erotic theme of "reluctant acceptance".

Regards,
Tired
 
We are all different. Some want explicit sex or torture, the harder the better. Some want beautiful prose, or believable characterisation. Some want strictly accurate settings, others are very forgiving of anachronism.

I like nice writing, I like historical accuracy and believable characters.

But I want something that has that special touch, the sentence or phrase or picture that reaches out to me, that grabs hold of some fundamental part of me, or that plants an idea or image in my heart that I have to keep coming back to. It may not be the "best" story or image, but one that really sets me quivering, that leaves me with thoughts and fantasies for some time after. There is no easily identifiable formula for this. It makes me think of Apostate and his limbic system, some things will touch us more than others.

For me it could be one small aspect of a story or scene that does it for me. I can' predict it, but I damn well know it when it happens!
 
I don't think this will come as a surprise to anybody who has read any of my stories but for me the biggest erotic kick is the sense of the punishment as being somehow extraordinary. So, the sense of shock that *this person* is to be punished/tortured: "I can't believe they'd do this to a woman/ a beautiful delicate woman/ a noble/ a Westerner." (Which is problematic to somebody who considers himself a socialist). Then "Surely they won't lash her on bare skin" becomes "Oh my God, they're stripping her naked" and "I can't believe they'd given her a dozen lashes" becomes "My God! Three dozen?" A god example of this is the Mood Pictures film South American Vacation, where the (to me) most attractive victim gets double the lashes of anybody else.

Other than that, believable, sympathetic characters (ie, I'd rather itls a 'good' girl getting punished than a bitch), and a plausible setting. And also inflicted in some way by the state, or at least by some greater power so there is no escape. A lone psycho in the woods doesn't really do it for me. Which I guess is back to the butterfly on the wheel principle - that our heroine is fighting something impossible and the weight of punishment is excessive.
 
Of course we all come here to feed our individual demons, and they can have very specific appetites.

Good way to clarify things.

A lot of the preferred characteristics of a story, mentioned here so far, apply of course to any kind of story : good plot, characters worked out, accuracy,…

Windar’s core question was, what elements make a story ‘erotic’ (to which particularly his third question applies).
We are discussing here the specific niche story genre, this forum is about. Jon Smithie points out well that it is about ‘feeding our own demon inside’. A story, besides being well worked out and well written, is experienced as erotic, when that demon is satisfied. That’s, I guess, different for each of us. People who write stories, like me, do it for the pleasure of setting up a plausible story, but also to satisfy the demon. When reading one, the demon looks over our shoulder, and his appreciation of the erotic level, is my appreciation.

One thought is, that ‘erotic’, is perhaps a too narrow focus. ‘Excitement” (of which the erotic is a substantial part, of course) seems to cover it more, to my opinion. To go back to Windar”s opening posting : what’s erotic? A naked girl on a cross’. Sure it is! But the whole via cruxis, including interrogation, whipping, stripping, public humiliation, raising the cross,… that’s the excitement that gives the erotic aspect a big added value! According to my demon inside! Just also remember that vanilla people, who have not the luck of having a demon like us, may be erotically interested in the view of a naked woman in a crucifixion pose, but not at get excited by the via cruxis aspect, and even find it very repulsive and disgusting, as they cannot discern between the fantasy and the grim reality of an execution. They only see cruelty, think we are cruel sadist people, even a danger for society, and cannot grab that our exciting fetish is about erotization of death (and my demon agrees with that).

For me, this has a strange effect on storywriting. I put time, research and energy to write a plot, a story, a character development, on its way to downfall. But when I get so far, my writing blocks, since there show up many ways to make it end, all exciting ones, I often write them out in four versions, and then, I still cannot choose, since ‘my demon’ finds them all exciting.

About the consensual aspect in this kind of stories, I often think back to my schooldays lessons about the Ancient Greek tragedy writers (Aeschylos, Euripides and Sophocles), who made their characters go down either by fate, or by their own acts, or a combination of both. I think, this still works as a base of a good plot, particularly in stories like ours. No one walks deliberately to the cross.
 
On consensual/non-consensual and the points made by Tired, KD and Lox, the boundary is often not a bright line. Humans are complex and typically act from multiple motives. When KDs characters go to demonstrations in a country under martial law or when Meghan Shanahan tweeted bad things about the President of Zilawe, one the one hand, sure, they were following their political beliefs and sense of justice, but on the other hand, they knew there were serious risks. And when Barb went to Zilawe to get the story she didn't exactly act 100% professionally (demerits incoming). Similarly with Julia of Brixellum and her opposition to the reigning dogma, even though what she said was true. And what got those girls in the reformatory, Tired?

That may be why the lone wolf in the woods is a less erotic scenario for some, because the victim there really didn't do anything to provoke her suffering other than being at the wrong place at the wrong time. But then, the slaves in Roman stories or Barb and Pat in Plantation Plight didn't do anything to cause their situation and those are still erotic at least in my view (though they sometimes do dumb things like stage hopeless rebellions or ill-planned escapes or just slack off on the job).
 
Jon Smithie points out well that it is about ‘feeding our own demon inside’.
But is it ONLY about that? Personally, I enjoy very much the challenge of plotting out a credible detective story that may have long stretches with little or no "demonic action". There are many humorous stories here-Wragg's recent "All at Sea with Jeeve's" was very entertaining and erotic even though the demons were fairly tame. There is the whole genre of pulp adventure stories that may contain only a few scenes of torture yet can be very erotic.

For me, I like to see the characters living fairly normal lives and getting slowly dragged into a situation of peril, whether completely involuntarily or with some semi-conscious desire on their part,. I find that more erotic than just a pure end-to-end description of suffering.
 
I don't think this will come as a surprise to anybody who has read any of my stories but for me the biggest erotic kick is the sense of the punishment as being somehow extraordinary. So, the sense of shock that *this person* is to be punished/tortured: "I can't believe they'd do this to a woman/ a beautiful delicate woman/ a noble/ a Westerner." (Which is problematic to somebody who considers himself a socialist). Then "Surely they won't lash her on bare skin" becomes "Oh my God, they're stripping her naked" and "I can't believe they'd given her a dozen lashes" becomes "My God! Three dozen?" A god example of this is the Mood Pictures film South American Vacation, where the (to me) most attractive victim gets double the lashes of anybody else.

Other than that, believable, sympathetic characters (ie, I'd rather itls a 'good' girl getting punished than a bitch), and a plausible setting. And also inflicted in some way by the state, or at least by some greater power so there is no escape. A lone psycho in the woods doesn't really do it for me. Which I guess is back to the butterfly on the wheel principle - that our heroine is fighting something impossible and the weight of punishment is excessive.

Our tastes in this sort of fantasy are so similar, and you are such a talented writer, that it's always a delight for me to read your work. Though sometimes, I have to admit, you leave me behind in the extent of the brutality your victims receive. Apparently we even have similar tastes in our fantasy victims. I recently bought the EP (Elite Pain) Castings video of an interview with Victoria Young, before she was cast in any of their films. She is the victim you refer to above who gets the most severe punishment in Mood's "South American Vacation".

I know this is a repost, but here are a couple of pics of Victoria from "South American Vacation:"

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And here's a couple from her "EP Castings" Video: She is told to strip, spread her legs, and put her hands behind her neck. The interviewer (Max Lomp) then questions her, twists her nipples, puts binder clips on them, and then asks if he can skewer her nips with a needle.

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Hate to say it, but she refuses the needle. Despite that, Max still hires her.
 
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Our tastes in this sort of fantasy are so similar, and you are such a talented writer, that it's always a delight for me to read your work. Apparently we even have similar tastes in our fantasy victims. I recently bought the EP (Elite Pain) Castings video of an interview with Victoria Young, before she was cast in any of their films. She is the victim you refer to above who gets the most severe punishment in Mood's South American Vacation.

I know this is a repost, but here are a couple of pics of Victoria from "South American Vacation:"

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And here's a couple from her "EP Castings" Video: She is told to strip, spread her legs, and put her hands behind her neck. The interviewer (Max Lomp) then questions her, twists her nipples, puts binder clips on them, and then asks if he can skewer her nips with a needle.

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Hate to say it, but she refuses the needle. Despite that, Max still hires her.
It looks like she used THT's travel agency...
 
I'm so glad you quoted me Jon Smithie. "Slavery 101" is one of my top favorites of all times.
And I'm also glad that you are planning to write more on that lines. I promise I'll comment!

I'm flattered that you think so highly of that story. I believe you mentioned it before. That made my day then, and you've made my day now. That was one of my first stories, and I'd change a lot of things about it now. If I ever learn to write faster, and finish what I start, maybe I can get out some of the other stories I have bubbling around in my brain.
 
There has been some discussion of this at times on various story threads and in PM threads, but I thought perhaps it deserved a public thread of its own. I'm not looking so much for "Anything with a naked girl on a cross" or "Anything BUT a naked girl on a cross" but rather how elements of plot, character and style affect the eroticism. Though people can comment on anything they like, I am particularly interested on your thoughts on the following:

1. How does a complex plot and/or realistic character development affect the erotic appeal? Increase it? Decrease it? Makes no difference?

2. Does historical accuracy/realism of setting matter?

3. Do you have a strong preference for a level of severity and consensual vs non-consensual or is the quality of the writing more important?

1. A plot is a good thing because it gives the story a sense of continuity. If it is too complex then it makes it hard to follow and I would lose interest. Also having good character development keeps my interest in the story because you are wondering what makes that character who they are and why they are doing it. Along with that you can see the change in the character which is another aspect that would make you continue reading.

2. Historical accuracy is not that much needed but as long as you have the basics that is fine with me. The realism is what I find important because it extracts the feelings from you and how you relate to the characters in the story. How you relate can help increase the erotic appeal to the story.

3. The consensuality does not bother me that much. What does bother me is the brutality inflicted on a person. I am not a fan of mutilation or excessive torture because it takes away from the other parts of the story. I do agree the quality of writing is important because it effects how the story fits together. It is like a puzzle and if all the pieces fit together well I think the story will affect you more and you would want more from that author.
 
But is it ONLY about that? Personally, I enjoy very much the challenge of plotting out a credible detective story that may have long stretches with little or no "demonic action". There are many humorous stories here-Wragg's recent "All at Sea with Jeeve's" was very entertaining and erotic even though the demons were fairly tame. There is the whole genre of pulp adventure stories that may contain only a few scenes of torture yet can be very erotic.

For me, I like to see the characters living fairly normal lives and getting slowly dragged into a situation of peril, whether completely involuntarily or with some semi-conscious desire on their part,. I find that more erotic than just a pure end-to-end description of suffering.

I didn't mean that ONLY that aspect matters. I agree with what you say, but sometimes, I have the impressiion that, here on CF, compromises have to be made. People sometimes loose track when a story gets too long or the plot too complex. There are good stories here, but we are not a literature forum, and there is daily progress, making that a 2-3 days old posting is often already buried and forgotten. I have the feeling an author has to keep drawing the attention of the readers, and that demands a specific story structure and set up, keeping the attention vivid. If I were a composer, I would see myself rather compose a march or a film score for CF, than a symphony. That does not mean I would not like to compose a symphon, and even so, there are excellent marches and film scores posted here. Bu a march has a specific structure : it starts vigourously to draw the attention, then you can calm down, as the troops march, and at the end there is again a vigourous apotheosis.

On consensual/non-consensual and the points made by Tired, KD and Lox, the boundary is often not a bright line. Humans are complex and typically act from multiple motives. When KDs characters go to demonstrations in a country under martial law or when Meghan Shanahan tweeted bad things about the President of Zilawe, one the one hand, sure, they were following their political beliefs and sense of justice, but on the other hand, they knew there were serious risks. And when Barb went to Zilawe to get the story she didn't exactly act 100% professionally (demerits incoming). Similarly with Julia of Brixellum and her opposition to the reigning dogma, even though what she said was true. And what got those girls in the reformatory, Tired?

That makes me make the following question : how consensual was Christ? His mission was to suffer for redemption. Had Christ not made a riot in the Temple, (used as stock exchange) we maybe would never have heard of him. Was Christ consensual, aware that he risked to be crucified when he made that rriot? Ultimately, is it all hindsight, that mission? Or was Christ pushing the limits in the tmple, so that the punishment RISKED to become unavoidable?

It is with the aspect of consensuality in my head, that I started nearly two years ago this thread, which is still visited from time today :

http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/my-titulus.5687/

What would read your titulus?
After all, at least in my stories, the lead characters have deep inside ‘our’ dark fetish, ‘our’ demon. That is the aspect of ‘fate’ in their character. They maybe even are not, or hardly aware that they have the dark desires inside them, but slowly, they push the limits to satisfy their demon, a satisfaction the demon gets when the time of crucifixion and humiliation is there. Hence the ‘titulus’ question : once on the cross, how ‘consensually premeditated’ were their acts?



Illustrated by this great Wragg drawing, of a condemned contemplating her titulus.
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