White Torturers, Non-white Victims?

[Eulalia]

I'm not wanting to make any sort of political point,​

but it has struck me that we see lots of images on CF​

of western, white women being tortured, abused and/ or crucified​

by Arabs and other stereotyped 'Orientals',​

it's not often the other way round!​

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So, can I open this thread to invite anyone who's got or can find some,​

to post some hunky specimens of western, white manhood​

introducing young Middle Eastern, Asian, African or other non-white women​

to the pleasures of "Western Civilisation"?​

 

[admihoek]

the first one a auction in Zasnzibar

 

[Eulalia]

thanks Hansi -​

she's a nice black slavegirl,​

but the auctioneers certainly aren't white!​

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[admihoek]

thanks Hansi -​

she's a nice black slavegirl,​

but the auctioneers certainly aren't white!​

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but orientals are mostly white or designed white too though?

 

[Julia]

And other charming ones are green

 

[Eulalia]

but orientals are mostly white or designed white too though?

By "white" I mean westerners - European, American etc.​

Your 'Zanzibar' pics are fun, but they're the opposite of what I'm looking for.​

It's not difficult to find historical pics of white men selling (or whipping) black slaves, of course,​

but are there any images even of 'white' Romans crucifying black or 'oriental' women? (which they surely did)​

let alone Crusaders torturing Muslim women? (ditto)​

or the things European colonialists and more recent champions of "Western Civilisation" got up to?​

I repeat, I'm not making a political point,​

but I think it's an interesting question of balance -​

and anyway, aren't "non-white" bodies on Crosses just as erotic as "white" ones?​

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[admihoek]

And other charming ones are green

very charming merci beauty

 

[admihoek]

By "white" I mean westerners - European, American etc.​

Your 'Zanzibar' pics are fun, but they're the opposite of what I'm looking for.​

It's not difficult to find historical pics of white men selling (or whipping) black slaves, of course,​

but are there any images even of 'white' Romans crucifying black or 'oriental' women? (which they surely did)​

let alone Crusaders torturing Muslim women? (ditto)​

or the things European colonialists and more recent champions of "Western Civilisation" got up to?​

I repeat, I'm not making a political point,​

but I think it's an interesting question of balance -​

and anyway, aren't "non-white" bodies on Crosses just as erotic as "white" ones?​

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y're right of course (as mostly) but i'll looking for some (not seeking be patient)

 

[Fantasmo]

thanks Hansi -​

she's a nice black slavegirl,​

but the auctioneers certainly aren't white!​

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He is a guy, he only saw the girl!

 

[willowfall]

Not to drive too deeply into the conversation but genically Arabs are "white". In fact the peoples as far east as India are a mixture of "white" and asiatic blood lines (hell they've just parased a population in china that is 60% Italian bloodstock).

If you want to break the world in to three major genetic pools emanating out from their 'origination' point, "white" and "Asian" bloodstock make up the vast majority of it with "black" mostly confined to sub-Saharan Africa.

As to your question of appeal I think it is a resounding no for most people who produce the material we look at other genetic pools fall way behind "white" in desirability. Even today "African-American" males will pursue "white" females much more vigorously than the reverse happens. Inter-racial couples are predominantly black men/white women not the other way around.

If you think about it (historically) massive movements of slaves as trade goods is not really an Asian thing at all. Yes they had slaves but due to the large local populations and the political/economic structure it wasn't necessary to import vast amounts of labor.

If you look at slavery on the "western" model (I'm including Islamic culture here) males were trafficed as heavy labor and females as luxury goods. Again black women were available but not in the same numbers as white women. Sudan as late as the 1880s (and Ghana until 1906) still officially had slavery but it was mostly males for labor and women and children in the sex trade. To take it out of the context of Africa let's move to the "Great Game" in Central Asia. In those slave markets European males (mostly Eastern European) were highly valued for their labor abilities while Persian women were highest in desriabilty as sex slaves, followed by white women. By the time the Ottoman Empire fell those Sultans had a good deal more european blood in them than Turkish.

Finally, today, pornography is a "rich" culture thing as it is a luxury good not a necessity. The wealthiest cultures in the world are all "white" or asian.

Finally to bring it down to a personal level and to admit I'm shallow, I can count on one hand the number of black men I think are attractive and on the other hand the number of black women. Yet at a club or bar or event the number of non-black people I find attractive are multiples of the number of black.

My mother is a paragon of liberality, I was raised to not be racist. I have many black friends, I have black co-workers I get along with just fine. I have worked for black bosses .......

I just don't find ANY of them physically attractive.

kissses

willowfall

 

[Fantasmo]

I just don't find ANY of them physically attractive.

kissses

willowfall

...what is normal, because the ideal of beauty is acquired (in our environment), not hard-wired...

 

[messaline]

I think remember that there is no genetic difference between that we called "races"
and that we"ll may be call "Humanity", colour is only a genetic caracter, more or less developed; so, white,black, what problem?

PS: it's an interesting forum...

 

[admihoek]

PS: it's an interesting forum...

with people in all races and of all............................. kind

 

[Eulalia]

Interesting responses, I'm glad I've provoked some lively debate -​

though I think we could get bogged down in issues of "race"​

(not a word I used or ever would use for groups within Homo sapiens).​

But I think everyone knows perfectly well what I mean by "white" and "non-white",​

and I'd still be interested to see what images there are out there of recognisably European/North American "white" males torturing or crucifying​

"non-white" females.​

I know Arcimboldo has done two or three, and very erotic they seem to me, but they're rarities.​

I'm not convinced that their rarity is because "white" males don't find Middle/ Near Eastern, Asian or African women attractive.​

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I'll raise another point, admitting that what prompted me to start this thread at this time​

(though it's an issue that I've thought about for much of the past year since I registered with CF)​

was a couple of sets of pics posted (coincidentally) this week​

that showed "white" women being sold as slaves and generally "used"​

by very caricatured, stereotyped Arabs/ Middle Easterners/ Muslims.​

What struck me was how very similar those drawings are (mutatis mutandis)​

to the ways that Jews were often portrayed in the early 20th century,​

and not just in Nazi publications,​

and we all know where that led.​

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Now I'm not suggesting they shouldn't be posted -​

I'm very much against censorship and "political correctness"​

(apart from anything else, they're usually counter-productive)​

and I accept such drawings are only meant to be "good dirty fun".​

But they - and the frequent appearance of such, dare I say "Islamophobic", images on CF -​

do make me stop and think.​

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Am I alone in having this concern?​

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[thehangingtree]

I'm not worried with it. I think you see it more because they're not hard to find.

THT

 

[messaline]

I agree with you Eulalia, but I think we don't generalize; for me, the beauty of pics
must not depend of characters, white,black & so on, but of harmony: a pic must telling me. It's right that pussy girls are more appreciated by men (I know why...)
but, you know my sex attraction, I've sometimes loved black and asian girl and
my white friends make or have made the same.
Into young generation (beg your pardon...) racisme is perhaps still alive but the
"melting pot" reduct more & more his action...
Well, that's my opinion and I'm perhaps a lot dreaming...wait & see...

Messaline (la petite française blonde)

 

[willowfall]

Well "Islamaphobic" (I wonder if that one will make it into Wikapedia) is a completely different issue. What we forget is "Islam" and the the "West" have been at each others throat's since Islam erupted out of the Saudi desert onto the world. This is a 1300 year old issue not one that arrive on 09/11/01.

Most people just aren't educated enough to realize that.

You also have to remember that Islam has been a much more effective and dangerous opponent than any Asia or African power has been to the "West" over a much longer time period. Much of the problems we see today in the Balkans and the Eastern Med are a residue of Islam's past military successes. And except for a couple of successful military actions Islam was a danger that stood a chance of engulfing much of Europe well into the 1600s.

The other couple of things that make it an interesting subject is that Islamic powers preyed on the "west" for the majority of their slaves (the West used Africa's already existing slave trade) and did so for a time period after the West had "officially" abandoned the concept of slavery (yes I know it still exists today). Other issues were while the West took advantage of enslaved women on an inconsistent basis, because of its different belief system (a child born to a slave could be officially claimed by its father with no stigma as an example) sexual slavery was wide spread and universally accepted with in Islam.

Women WERE captured for their beauty and sexual desirability long after that practice had disappeared in the West.

Also ancient/medieval forms of punishment lasted longer in Islam than in the west (not by much) but for example the last cruxing (that I am aware of) in Baghdad occurred around 925 ce and in Iran today you can still crucify an apostate. Branding and whipping of slaves was very common up to about 1900 ce.

So it is a natural subject for people on this board to gravitate too, as this board has a strong enslavement and sexual abuse of women (that's why I love it) emphasis.

If this were a board on burning at the stake we'd see a strong (over emphasized) Inquisitional/witch (the Inquisition did NOT burn witches the protestants did) representation.

If it was about the guillotine we'd see a strong Revolutionary France flavor.

I don't see it as a political statement that we need to be concerned about. There are lots of parties to pick on but in Western culture cruxing is strongly associated with Rome and enslaving women for sexual purposes with Islam.

kisses

willowfall

 

[willowfall]

...what is normal, because the ideal of beauty is acquired (in our environment), not hard-wired...

Beauty maybe, but sexual attraction is a different matter.

I have a cousin a few years older than I am and she exclusively dated black men (going back into HS) and recently married one. Basically out of the same genepool (my mother's brother's daughter) living in a similiar environment in a similiar economic situation. Her parents while very liberal rarely had many close black friends. She doesn't date white guys and to the best of my knowledge never has.

I do not find guys who are overly muscled attractive and I find the penis on an uncircumsized guy much less attractive than a guy who is circumsized.

I find a brunette with the exact same physical features as a blonde more attractive and redheads can get away with being downright plain and I am still attracted to her, yet I find very few redheaded guys attractive.

I find most of the Hollywood sex idols uninteresting (I think with many of the guys it's because I am taller than they are and most don't have two braincells together).

I find guys who are physically active exciting while even the best looking computer nerd (or workaholoic) isn't getting to first base.

Why any of that exists I can't say but much of it flies in the face of what American "society" teaches.

kisses

willowfall

 

[thehangingtree]

Willowfall brings up many good points. Many of them would say I would be attachive to her. (OK, I can dream) Remember., a 2X4 isn't, an Arab might not be a terrorist, and Eulalia might not REALLY like being crucified.

G'nite, all

THT

 

[Fantasmo]

This is a 1300 year old issue not one that arrive on 09/11/01.

Most people just aren't educated enough to realize that.

The other issue: The cristian world evolved out of the dark age, but the islamic world didn't.
Let's not forget: Christans killed others just because they had another faith as well, 500years back!
The other thing: Arabs are proud people. But what do they have to be proud off, once the oil stops flowing? It will be nothing more than a big pile of sand! This is creating envy!

But to quote Imagemaker: No politics