AlexArts
Soul of Cinder
Decision to stop any renderworking...
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AlexArts
Soul of Cinder
Yes, ploblems with DAZ...
One problem. Inexplicable crushes... I'm really tired of this.
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SkatingJesus
King of the Crux Hill
I had a lot of crashes too, with Daz.
For example, when I save very heavy scenes, it's sometimes so heavy that I can't load it again, or it takes ages to be loaded.
So, in that case, I save the scene as a subset (and I delete a few elements in it), and redo the scene in another file. Most of the time, it works!
But your crashes can be simply because of the update you may have not made. Do you have Daz 4.9?
Bartnel
Governor
I agree with SK : you should verify versions of software AND Nvidia drivers & settings .
I also tried DAZ some time ago ... and finally let it down.
It's a free software and you can't ask too much to it
The combination I use (Poser+Vue) is enough satisfying for me.
VUE is a professional software (expensive too : I don't have the latest license) but enough robust !
My computer is old (Quad but only 7 Gb RAM) but Vue can handle animated scenes with millions of polygons including 2 or 3 poser characters,with dynamic clothes, until 500 frames without crashing (or very rarely).
I began to have problems with the latest DAZ characters : V6 & V7 family (I've heard that V7 family is NOT Poser compatible so I didn't even tried to use her).
Renders are long because I often use the most advanced features (radiosity, soft shadows & depth of field) but it's worth the wait !
What I don't like in DAZ ( even more with this famous Iray render engine) is that everybody use it and the renders look always the same !
I also tried DAZ some time ago ... and finally let it down.
It's a free software and you can't ask too much to it
The combination I use (Poser+Vue) is enough satisfying for me.
VUE is a professional software (expensive too : I don't have the latest license) but enough robust !
My computer is old (Quad but only 7 Gb RAM) but Vue can handle animated scenes with millions of polygons including 2 or 3 poser characters,with dynamic clothes, until 500 frames without crashing (or very rarely).
I began to have problems with the latest DAZ characters : V6 & V7 family (I've heard that V7 family is NOT Poser compatible so I didn't even tried to use her).
Renders are long because I often use the most advanced features (radiosity, soft shadows & depth of field) but it's worth the wait !
What I don't like in DAZ ( even more with this famous Iray render engine) is that everybody use it and the renders look always the same !
AlexArts
Soul of Cinder
I've already burned my fingers with daz 4.9... This version ignores all light sources in my old (ver. 4.8) scenes. I've asked you about it long ago...
So, i used ver. 4.8
Simple scene. One actor, one source of light... 40 min of rendering... 60%-70% and crushing...
I'll try to show you error message...
I agree i don't know how to make correct settings of iray render. I used default settings, 5000 iteration, 7000 seconds...
Poser is too expensive... For hobby... Almost abandoned
And what about models? Victoria 7, other characters... Clothes, hairs... Props...
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SkatingJesus
King of the Crux Hill
I still work with DAZ, but never used iRay. I work with Octane, and this costs a lot.
But it's working fine to me, and I think it's better that iRay.
Maybe you should gfive a try to Reality. It's pretty much the same as Octane, but slower and less expensive.
The good point is that you can stop the rendering anytime you want. the more you let it work, the more the picture is good and sharp. But it's up to you. I usually stop between 200 and 500 samples.
But it's working fine to me, and I think it's better that iRay.
Maybe you should gfive a try to Reality. It's pretty much the same as Octane, but slower and less expensive.
The good point is that you can stop the rendering anytime you want. the more you let it work, the more the picture is good and sharp. But it's up to you. I usually stop between 200 and 500 samples.
Bartnel
Governor
It's always the same: quality has a cost ! Octane is a very robust rendering engine.
To help everybody forget those technical (but very interesting for us creators) discussions, a little example of what I talked above (radiosity, soft shadows, depth of field and animation),
Victoria 3 suffering on the cross :
To help everybody forget those technical (but very interesting for us creators) discussions, a little example of what I talked above (radiosity, soft shadows, depth of field and animation),
Victoria 3 suffering on the cross :
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AlexArts
Soul of Cinder
Very impressive image...
But it will not help me to forget or solve this problem. This image will make this problem more sharper, because I already want to try to make something equal... Nevermind
Nice art, Bartnel... Very nice...
SkatingJesus
King of the Crux Hill
DAmn! Everything is perfect here!
I really need to try to do something like this, really impressive!
SkatingJesus
King of the Crux Hill
If you talk about %, it means that you are on a mode opposed to how Octane works.
I guess you should try to lower the max level. I don't know how it is written, but if it's something like 1000 smaples, try to do at 400-500 and see if it's still crashes.
But maybe you should do a ccleaner on your computer too.
AlexArts
Soul of Cinder
You right...
Perfect renderstation don't need antivirus, office and other shit...
Bartnel
Governor
No, no ! Animation helps a lot to mask errors
@Hasturan :
Sorry, this little piece is not made to help you solve your problem, but to help other people to accept the technical discussion here
.Please, Hasturan don't try to make something equal because you don't have to !!!
Just do your own art with your own sensibility... so many people here love your work (you have 3 times more "likes" than me, no ?).
BUT, it is very important to solve technical problems to free creativity ...
An idea: did you tried to open (windows) task manager to look at the amount of physical memory used by DAZ ? If this amount is too hight, it may crash.
If it is a specific DAZ problem (no crash outside this application), you may talk about it on DAZ forums, because someone else has PROBABLY encountered the same problem and a solution may be available.
And at last (I sometimes use it) doctor GOOGLE
may have ideas about it ... in the search engine you type : "DAZ rendering crash" and you may find some stuff there too.
mp5stab
Hair and Nails
Well, to drag it back into talking shop, every render artist seems to have their own personal preference for render suites and settings, as well as their own, and different hardware. And then, there's postwork in photoshop. If you want to look different, you can.
I wouldn't know, I'm more of a pencil artist.
I wouldn't know, I'm more of a pencil artist.
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Deleted member jedakk
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No, no ! Animation helps a lot to mask errors
@Hasturan :
Sorry, this little piece is not made to help you solve your problem, but to help other people to accept the technical discussion here
Please, Hasturan don't try to make something equal because you don't have to !!!
Just do your own art with your own sensibility... so many people here love your work (you have 3 times more "likes" than me, no ?).
BUT, it is very important to solve technical problems to free creativity ...
An idea: did you tried to open (windows) task manager to look at the amount of physical memory used by DAZ ? If this amount is too hight, it may crash.
If it is a specific DAZ problem (no crash outside this application), you may talk about it on DAZ forums, because someone else has PROBABLY encountered the same problem and a solution may be available.
And at last (I sometimes use it) doctor GOOGLE
I agree - I can see in Bartnell's work some of the same problems I encountered with animation. You don't see those unless you know exactly what to look for. There's the way the girl's wrists move on the nails, more than they should; and he gets by the fact that her hair will swing right through her shoulder by making that head-drop happen very fast so you won't see it. None of us is perfect at this stuff.
All of us went through a learning curve to be able to create anything with the software - maybe me more than most, because I started with Poser 2.0 I think, back in 1996. Here's one of my first creations from 1997:
It just doesn't get any worse than that, but the software was a big part of it. No hair for any of the figures, don't think the eyes would move, and in the version prior to this one, the figures didn't have toes. Poser would choke on a scene with more than a few megs, and it crashed all the time. The figures themselves were rendered nude in Poser and I painted on hair, the shorts the guys are wearing, the cross, those nails, then composited in the hammer and background pic, all in Photoshop. Today, I never do postwork in Photoshop - my pics are all straight Poser renders with no retouching. Your stuff is GREAT in comparison to where I started.
Poser was famous for crashing right up until maybe the 2010 version, which was pretty stable. Even so, it's always a good idea to get in the habit of saving your work frequently! Crashes for me have been pretty rare in the past few years, but you never know. I suspect that DAZ Studio hasn't gone through enough versions yet to be as stable as Poser. I don't use it, so I can't say for sure.
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hornet1ba
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I did update Daz Studio to 4.9(from 4.8) without any problem ,but in Iray i use only the
"Sun and sky only" lighting in the environment setup,in my daylight scene that is the only light that i need most of the time.
Maybe you should try with to delete all your light source in your 4.8 scenes and then add them one by one until Daz start to crash again,you will then know the maximum number of light that your system can handle.
Also don't forget in the advanced option to select the CPU and your video card and OptiXPrime acceleration.
There can also be a unique problem with your system that can be hard to solve.......
My computer:
CPU:I3 4130
8gig ram
GTX750
This simple Genesis2 render took about 2 minutes to render with my system.
Hope this help
Sorry Bartnel in highjacking your thread.....
"Sun and sky only" lighting in the environment setup,in my daylight scene that is the only light that i need most of the time.
Maybe you should try with to delete all your light source in your 4.8 scenes and then add them one by one until Daz start to crash again,you will then know the maximum number of light that your system can handle.
Also don't forget in the advanced option to select the CPU and your video card and OptiXPrime acceleration.
There can also be a unique problem with your system that can be hard to solve.......
My computer:
CPU:I3 4130
8gig ram
GTX750
This simple Genesis2 render took about 2 minutes to render with my system.
Hope this help
Sorry Bartnel in highjacking your thread.....
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Is that really a computer animation?
Or did you take a video camera back in a time machine?
That's it! Bartnel is a Time Lord!
AlexArts
Soul of Cinder
Thank you for your advices!
Thank you, Hornet...
So, I've installed DAZ 4.9
First image was rendered in DAZ 4.8
Second image was rendered in DAZ 4.9
No changes... Just different program version
Thank you, Hornet...
This can help...
So, I've installed DAZ 4.9
First image was rendered in DAZ 4.8
Second image was rendered in DAZ 4.9
No changes... Just different program version
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Deleted member jedakk
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Hasturan, if lights are what is crashing your renders, you ought to consider whether you really need all of those lights. For the outdoor crucifixion scenes in "The Serpent's Eye", I used the classic three-light setup - a sun light, sky light and back light, to which I added a specular-only light to make sweat, eyes, other shiny objects glisten. In some scenes, I added a fill light between Sabina's legs to reduce the hard shadows there.
I know that a lot of people will put MANY lights in their scenes, but that's BS - you don't need those and they will slow down your renders. Maybe they'll even crash your software.
I highly recommend the book "Digital Lighting and Rendering" - second edition by Jeremy Birn. This is the guy that does this kind of thing for Pixar Studios; he knows what he's talking about, and it made a hell of a difference in the way I set up my lighting in Poser.
I know that a lot of people will put MANY lights in their scenes, but that's BS - you don't need those and they will slow down your renders. Maybe they'll even crash your software.
I highly recommend the book "Digital Lighting and Rendering" - second edition by Jeremy Birn. This is the guy that does this kind of thing for Pixar Studios; he knows what he's talking about, and it made a hell of a difference in the way I set up my lighting in Poser.