Burned at the stake

[phlebas]

Joan of Arc.
Hero of France


Was there doubt as to her gender? Not for the artists


And when she was burned


If it had been more like this, there would have been no doubt for the witnesses.

This is a remarkable piece, harsh and striking, nothing like the Joan of Arc images we are used to. It looks like it's in a church or public building. Anyone know the story behind it?

 

[Naraku]

Yes, you are partly correct. Nevertheless, it was the French who tried her and condemned her to be burnt at the stake. They even denied her a crucifix to hold as the sentence was carried out, it being left to an English soldier to fashion one out of two sticks to give to her. Thereafter, the French did everything they could to remove all trace of her from the records even to the extent of burning the official records of her trial. It took France, as a nation, nearly 400 years and WW1 before Joan's achievements were fully recognized.
As to burning her twice - yes, the executioner did rake back the ashes to expose Joan's naked body to prove that she was indeed female but this was after the fire had died out. Having let the crowd see her remains the fire was rebuilt and lit again. I suppose exactly what happened is a matter of interpretation. The Bourgeois de Paris says, ".... the fire was pulled back and everyone saw her naked and all the secrets a woman must have .... When they had seen all they wanted, the executioner lit the fire again and the pitiful carcass was completely consumed by the flames."

I've seen plenty of pictures of burnt bodies (thankfully, I've never seen one in real life) and one of the things I noticed is that the gender is indistinguishable. This is because external sex organs - the penis and testicles of men and the breast of women - are just soft tissue and external to the muscle structure. Once the skin has been burned away, these things are usually gone as well. For this reason, I believe, if the purpose of raking back the fire was to prove she was a woman, it had to be done as soon as her clothes burned off but before the skin was gone and therefore it is likely she was still alive.

 

[jacksjg89]

Back when I was still drawing I did an interpretation of this scene:

This is great. Why did you stop?

 

[Naraku]

This is great. Why did you stop?

I don't think I've told this here.
I've always enjoyed drawing. Once puberty hit, I began drawing sexually oriented material and much of it was S&M/Bondage related. But, it was always strictly for my own enjoyment. I took some art classes in school, so I learned about perspective, shading, etc. But, I never pursued it further.
Flash forward many years and I discovered this site and others. After a while looking at other people's art, I decided to finally start showing my own. I began with the stockpile of older stuff I had hidden away in a desk drawer. This got some positive feedback, so I began producing new material. Unlike the earlier works, which were only for my own pleasure, the new material was meant to be seen by others.
The old material wasn't very polished. In fact, some was so crude I was too embarrassed to share it. Even the stuff I did share was often flawed; body proportions were off, perspectives were a bit wonky, shading was haphazard; but that was OK because I was the only one who was going to see it. When I began producing works for the community, I started paying more attention to the artistic properties of my work. I also took much more time with each one.
About three years ago, I started work on a new piece to accompany a story I was writing. But, I couldn't seem to get motivated. I would draw a bit, then let it sit a while, then erase what I had done and draw a bit more. Finally, I came to a realization. I didn't enjoy drawing any more. I had become so concerned with getting things so that others would appreciate it, that I no longer found any pleasure in the process. I spent too much time fussing over details and trying to get everything just right. It was becoming too much like work. So, I decided to stop.
So, now, I concentrate on my writing. I still enjoy that, even though I do fuss over the details a lot there too. I still draw a bit, but only for myself.
Maybe, in a few years, when I've retired and have more time, I'll return to drawing. Or I may try photo manip or Pozer/DAZ. But, for now, I'm just going to stick to writing.
If you are curious, these are the two threads I created for my crux and non crux works:
http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/narakus-crux-art.1576/
http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/narakus-non-crux-nonsense.1580/
(Man, those threads were buried back there.)

 

[phlebas]

Hot chicks

 

[Eulalia]

This is a remarkable piece, harsh and striking, nothing like the Joan of Arc images we are used to. It looks like it's in a church or public building. Anyone know the story behind it?

Apart from finding it being used to illustrate a pious article in Danish, I can't track it down.
But 'Jeanne d'Arc nue' brings up another almost naked Joan



And J. W. Waterhouse always favoured the décolletée



This is a wonderful article on 'Les figurations sensuelles et érotiques dans l’imagerie de Jeanne d’Arc',
everything from medieval manuscripts to pulp comics, anime, Vogue ...

https://dejavu.hypotheses.org/2693

 

[connoisseurs]

 

[Eva Inanna]

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I don’t recommend this manner of cooking. I was told that a good BBQ must be done very slowly, over considerable lengths of time and over glowing embers to let collagens to break down, thus allowing the juices to come out of the meat, particularly in the case of porcine cuts. (In New Guinea, where the Asmat ate Michael Rockefeller Jr, white women are known as ‘longpig’”)


And please don't forget basting the meat...

 

[Quiet Paul]

Apart from finding it being used to illustrate a pious article in Danish, I can't track it down.
But 'Jeanne d'Arc nue' brings up another almost naked Joan

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And J. W. Waterhouse always favoured the décolletée

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This is a wonderful article on 'Les figurations sensuelles et érotiques dans l’imagerie de Jeanne d’Arc',
everything from medieval manuscripts to pulp comics, anime, Vogue ...

https://dejavu.hypotheses.org/2693

What a fantastic article this is...so many lovely images

 

[Quiet Paul]

Joan of Arc.
Hero of France
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Was there doubt as to her gender? Not for the artists
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And when she was burned
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If it had been more like this, there would have been no doubt for the witnesses.
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This is a remarkable piece, harsh and striking, nothing like the Joan of Arc images we are used to. It looks like it's in a church or public building. Anyone know the story behind it?

I agree, Phlebas, that last image is just amazing. So brutal in the way it shows a beautiful girl’s body responding to ghastly torture and anguish...you can hear the howl of agony and desperation, and imagine her squirming and tensing....

 

[Eulalia]

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I don’t recommend this manner of cooking. I was told that a good BBQ must be done very slowly, over considerable lengths of time and over glowing embers to let collagens to break down, thus allowing the juices to come out of the meat, particularly in the case of porcine cuts. (In New Guinea, where the Asmat ate Michael Rockefeller Jr, white women are known as ‘longpig’”)
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And please don't forget basting the meat...

See my detailed instructions for Live-Roasting a girl
http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/cf-recipes.6678/

 

[fat slave girl]

Loving #7.

Just how you want to go Bobbie!

 

[Roberta]

Just how you want to go Bobbie!

Fat Slave Girl, you know me to well.

 

[connoisseurs]

 

[Roberta]

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Especially #6.

 

[Juan1234]

She was burned by the Burgundians, who allies of the English. At the time, the Duchy of Burgundy was separate from the Kingdom of France.

I'm not sure what you mean by "they burnt her twice". Maybe you're referring to the fact that; after her cloths were burned away, they banked down the fire so that everyone could she her naked. They then piled on more wood and continued the burning.
There have been two explanations given for this. One is that it was done so that everyone could see she was dead. The second was to confirm that she was a woman and not, as some alleged, a man in disguise.
I think the first explanation makes no sense. The second is possible, but I think the real reason was to humiliate her and that she was still alive at the time.

Back when I was still drawing I did an interpretation of this scene:
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This is an excellent drawing, Nakaru!

 

[happyribbed]

Found a description how Galerius burned Christians (google translate):
He had first allowed this type of death sentence against the Christians by prescribing by law that after torture they would be burned in slow fire. Then, when bound to stakes, they were first put under the feet on a gentle fire, for so long, until the skin of the soles shriveled from the heat and broke away from the bones. Then torches, which were occasionally lit and extinguished, were held to all their limbs, so that no spot was left intact. And in the meantime, their faces were covered with fresh water, and their mouth was rinsed with liquid, lest the throat be dulled by dryness, and the respiration too soon brought about. This occurred late when, during many hours of the day, the whole skin was gradually scorched and the power of fire penetrated the innermost parts of the nobler parts. Then a pyre was set up and the burned bodies burned again.

 

[happyribbed]

She was burned by the Burgundians, who allies of the English. At the time, the Duchy of Burgundy was separate from the Kingdom of France.

I'm not sure what you mean by "they burnt her twice". Maybe you're referring to the fact that; after her cloths were burned away, they banked down the fire so that everyone could she her naked. They then piled on more wood and continued the burning.
There have been two explanations given for this. One is that it was done so that everyone could see she was dead. The second was to confirm that she was a woman and not, as some alleged, a man in disguise.
I think the first explanation makes no sense. The second is possible, but I think the real reason was to humiliate her and that she was still alive at the time.

Back when I was still drawing I did an interpretation of this scene:
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Brilliant drawing.
There are a few reports about that the wood was removed during the execution after her dress burned away, thus leaving her moaning and writhing naked in the chains. I also believe this was done not only to show that she was a woman, most likely it was done to humiliate her and prolonging her agony

 

[phlebas]

Brilliant drawing.
There are a few reports about that the wood was removed during the execution after her dress burned away, thus leaving her moaning and writhing naked in the chains. I also believe this was done not only to show that she was a woman, most likely it was done to humiliate her and prolonging her agony

Hmm, how reliable are those reports?

#3 has escaped, for now

 

[voyeurjerome]

He had first allowed this type of death sentence against the Christians by prescribing by law that after torture they would be burned in slow fire. Then, when bound to stakes, they were first put under the feet on a gentle fire, for so long, until the skin of the soles shriveled from the heat and broke away from the bones. Then torches, which were occasionally lit and extinguished, were held to all their limbs, so that no spot was left intact. And in the meantime, their faces were covered with fresh water, and their mouth was rinsed with liquid, lest the throat be dulled by dryness, and the respiration too soon brought about. This occurred late when, during many hours of the day, the whole skin was gradually scorched and the power of fire penetrated the innermost parts of the nobler parts. Then a pyre was set up and the burned bodies burned again.

Terrible description. The torture could last a very long time.