jucundus
Diva
Yesss. I like the way your mind works.
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Yesss. I like the way your mind works.
Now you're going in circles, that's exactly what the title ladder does do, you seemed to be asking us to short-cut it...
windar
Teller of Tales
Surely, you aren't suggesting that adding a few more exemplars to the hundreds of "girls on a cross" pics that already populate this site is going to change the world? I didn't realize that CF was that powerful.
Back on VoD, you used to complain and threaten to leave if you only got likes. Everyone had to come up with new words to describe your awesome awesomeness...
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Yes, we do take notice of 'likes', as well as numbers of posts, and we have often given honorary titles to creative artists who have posted relatively few times, likewise to creative writers. But, more important, we honour those who make a genuine, positive contribution to the life of our community, visiting other members' threads, commenting constructively on other members' work, and acting in a civil and friendly way.
This thread is titled 'Crux-related images by Jucundus'. We can move all the content that does not match that title to a separate thread, where debate about honorary titles can continue, in a courteous and constructive way. Any objections?
This thread is titled 'Crux-related images by Jucundus'. We can move all the content that does not match that title to a separate thread, where debate about honorary titles can continue, in a courteous and constructive way. Any objections?
(staff hat off) please don't go Jucundus, your work is wonderful and I for one would really miss it. I have loved every picture you have posted here.
(staff hat on) I see Eul has preempted me and said what I was intending to.
Jucundus, if you stay and keep posting amazing pictures (which get a very high rate of likes), and also join in a bit with comments and discussions in other threads, and maybe even post a few examples of pictures you have found while gathering material for your manips, you will probably get a custom title. But more important, that will simply be a recognition of your involvement, which is the true reward. Why leave a place where your work is clearly appreciated?
(staff hat on) I see Eul has preempted me and said what I was intending to.
Jucundus, if you stay and keep posting amazing pictures (which get a very high rate of likes), and also join in a bit with comments and discussions in other threads, and maybe even post a few examples of pictures you have found while gathering material for your manips, you will probably get a custom title. But more important, that will simply be a recognition of your involvement, which is the true reward. Why leave a place where your work is clearly appreciated?
jucundus
Diva
@fallenmystic, you are totally correct. I am behaving like an asshole. Why should rules be modified for me, if there are so many more modest yet better artists around than me? You are -admittedly -one of those, You know about blender, I am in awe, it is such a difficult software. Your art is amazing, I am humbled each time I look at it. I am deeply in love with your talent.
But this is not the point here. I think they should be proud of having us around. There is a simple way of showing this appreciation. They should allow us to wear any fancy hat we want, just because that is all it takes to make us happy, and making us happy is what makes the community happy in the end. There is so much vanity in art. You probably know all about it, being driven by an urge you cannot resist to MAKE things, and at the same totally hopeful that somebody will acknowledge that they like what you are doing. Why is it a sin to be vain about the one thing you can do well?
But this is not the point here. I think they should be proud of having us around. There is a simple way of showing this appreciation. They should allow us to wear any fancy hat we want, just because that is all it takes to make us happy, and making us happy is what makes the community happy in the end. There is so much vanity in art. You probably know all about it, being driven by an urge you cannot resist to MAKE things, and at the same totally hopeful that somebody will acknowledge that they like what you are doing. Why is it a sin to be vain about the one thing you can do well?
windar
Teller of Tales
You know it's interesting, @jucundus. If the goal is to make people happy, then you should want to make others happy, also. It would make me happy if you would read a few of my stories and comment on them. Since I often write with @Barbaria1 it would probably make her happy too. And then if you maybe made a few illustrations, I'd be even happier. You could spread a whole lot of happiness around if you'd leave your own private thread for a bit and visit a few other ones. Just a thought...
fallenmystic
Tribune
First off, thanks much for your kind words. I feel honoured to know that such a talented and established artist as you like my own works. I don't claim to be a better artist than you or anyone else in that matter however, and like as you said, it's not really the point.
And I even agree that it's not a sin to be a bit vain for being an artist, even though I don't think it's an essential part of it. So I don't have a strong opinion as to whether or not we should have such a special method to appreciate the work of original artists, except that it may be quite a hassle for the moderators to establish such a system on top of the existing one.
As such, I don't find anything fundamentally wrong with expressing your wish to get more recognition. What I find to be more objectionable was, however, the way you expressed such a wish. I don't know what private conversations you may have had with the moderators before announcing your plan to leave the community.
But you claimed that there was "a secret rule", implying you've been treated unfairly, and said the community doesn't really want to have you just because it wouldn't revise the rule just for your sake.
If you wished to change the rules or introduce a new one which may better appreciate the works of original artists, you could have opened a discussion thread to see what other members may think about the matter rather than making a threat to leave unless your wish is granted. A recognition of an artist is a badge of honour, not a weapon one can wield to make things happen in one's preferred way. It doesn't grant one any special privileges in such a matter, like revising an existing community rule. If we are to grant any special previlege to original artists, I think it better be because the majority of our members want it, not because one of them made a threat to leave unless we do it.
I still wish you would change your mind to stay and keep sharing such amazing works of art. However, I don't think we should hastily change the rules just to make it happen.
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algabal
Magistrate
Tone down the snark a bit.
Here we have the guy attempting to de-escalate and you pile on. We get it, you've got a feud with him carried over from some other place that burned down.
As for continuously dunking on the titular fetish of this site, if that makes you feel superior go ahead, but the fact is that all generations of moderators since 2005 onwards have shown tolerance toward non-crux topics on the site.
You might want to reciprocate that tolerance.
And actually we crux-freaks are perfectly able to make fun of ourselves, @melissa coined the term "Girl on a Stick" many years ago to refer to the fetish in a tongue in cheek way.
Some people come here for crux, 'cause it's called crux forums. Can't blame 'em.
In case they want to read stories that don't deal with crux, well yeah, a lot of members here obviously appreciate your writing.
Some however will say, if it's general erotica, there is just a whole world of stories out there dealing with say judicial CP. On the interwebs and in print.
I am not a fundamentalist about that, for instance reading a story by someone like Velut Luna I don't care how long it takes to get to the crux or whether there is any at all, because here is a powerful writer by any measure.
In fact there's only one thing I'm a fundamentalist about.
@jucundus your work (crux or not) is of high quality and it has pretty much only met with praise and appreciation here.
What more is there to ask?
Live and let live, let the forum give badges the way it wants to and you go work the way you want to.
It is not as if a few words under the avatar pic will make any difference on how people react to your contributions, which have been welcomed with the recognition they deserve on the merit of their quality.
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
I was not aware of the gratitude I should feel toward the moderators and you for tolerating my non-crux interests and contributions. I confess that I never picked up on the "secret" rule that due to the Title of the forum (titles are SO important) that only crux received first-class treatment here. To maul the words of the Bard:
Why, man, Crux doth bestride this narrow site
like a Colossus, and other poor writers
Write under its huge shadow and peep about
To find our stories dishonorable threads.
I shall restrain or even eliminate my unwanted contributions so that we may all bow down to few "Great" artists and Crucifixion stories. You certainly should not have to tolerate me any longer. I will be stopping any unwanted financial support to a site dedicated to crux and only tolerating me. Thanks for letting me know
You should all have any great titles you want. My title was meant to be humble. If it would make anyone else happy, I'll gladly change it to "Condemned" as any rookie. Though as W.S. Gilbert said in the "Gondoliers",
When everyone is somebody, then no one’s anybody
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fallenmystic
Tribune
While it's easy to understand for me how some people may want to keep the community true to its title, especially considering when there's so few other places on the internet dedicated to the theme, but it's also obvious that this website has outgrown itself to embrace broader spectrum of interests, and I doubt if anyone can change that now without expelling a large portion of our members (including myself).
Of all people, I believe those who indulge in such fetishes which may feel repulsive to most people should know how to tolerate differing tastes on such matters.
We don't have to make it an all out war between crux fans and fans of non-crux themes, any more than making it one between artists and non-artists.
So let's try to chill out and try to discuss the matter without escalating it further.
Of all people, I believe those who indulge in such fetishes which may feel repulsive to most people should know how to tolerate differing tastes on such matters.
We don't have to make it an all out war between crux fans and fans of non-crux themes, any more than making it one between artists and non-artists.
So let's try to chill out and try to discuss the matter without escalating it further.
windar
Teller of Tales
I have no feud with @jucundus. As I mentioned, he illustrated one of my stories without my asking him to and I thought they were wonderful. I'm not sure why anyone thinks I'm giving him a hard time calling him a diva, when he has already plead guilty as charged.
So, no one should ever write any more. But there are 3, 876 crux pictures here and we need 2,866 more.
Since we are all being modest here, I will say that I've read a great many judicial CP stories that you refer to and mine are better than most because I actually bother to develop interesting characters and most of those don't.
And lest you think I'm a confirmed anti-cruxer, I've written a couple of crux stories and they are darned good, really quite unique. Check them out if you dare http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/the-real-historical-female-jesus.5775/ and this one made a bit of a splash here http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/the-bronx-crux-murders.6173/
happy reading, my friend!
fallenmystic
Tribune
I like that, "confirmed anti-cruxer"... I may choose it as my title when I become entitled to choose one (and I plan to achieve it by the traditional way of posting more, as no one will care if I make a threat to leave)
Sizzle
Assistant executioner
Great to see another G&S fan here!
Above line sung by Don Alhambra, and joined by Marco and Giuseppe in "There Lived a King", #16 in Gondoliers (from someone who's been in the cast of Gondoliers several times over the years...as well as most of the G&S shows).
Thanks for posting it!
algabal
Magistrate
You miss the point here a bit.
First of all I am not a moderator and absolutely nothing here depends on me tolerating anything.
This site will do perfectly well without me.
The point is precisely that this place is open for a wide range of interests and always has been.
But each member can choose to follow their spectrum of interest, and by definition crux will be one that is honored as valid.
I did not ask you to grant me a title.
You might want to check my post for any claim that only crux should have first class status or that secret hierarchies should be introduced.
I made no such claim. You are projecting.
Bringing in "The Bard" and getting all authoratitive with big bold lettering does not strengthen your non-argument. You do not compare well to the Bard and will not be remembered like him, mangling his words does not give you the authority you crave.
Crux postings will continue to have a place on this forum.
That is not something that follows from any opinion of mine, one indication might be who actually runs the place.
However, everything else is also welcome. Again, not my decision.
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
I have yet to see on cruxforums (I apologize for my presence and beg toleration) anyone with the best title of all. I suggest the mods award to anyone who wants it the best of all possible titles:
Lord High Everything Else!
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
You are the one who said my contributions here (which are all non-crux) are tolerated. I do not claim to be a great writer, check my signature, which by the way is available to all. You are the one who pontificated on high about "tolerance toward non-crux topics on the site." What pray tell did that mean except that those topics are off-topic, inferior, and not worthy as crux? You do not tolerate your equals. Tell me how else to read that? If you were to apply for a job at my company and I said, "since 2005 we have tolerated your type here". Would you be offended??
windar
Teller of Tales
I bet they said back in the day to Mr. Shakespeare (assuming such a person actually existed), "You do not compare well to Chaucer and will not be remembered like him". In fact, most people at that time would have laughed themselves silly if you'd told them that those plays they went to at the Globe and thought were entertainment as we think of our contemporary television programs would still be performed 500 years later. Now try to predict which TV shows from today will be watched 500 years from now. Obviously "Seinfeld" will, right @Barbaria1?...
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
Seinfeld?
algabal
Magistrate
Sorry, nowhere did I say that.
It's just that not everybody will consider some piece of work the final masterpiece of its genre.
That applies to anything I do and to anything you do.
None of my pics are required viewing, and none of your stories are required reading.
Some people will say there are plenty better pics than mine and they don't need to waste any time looking at my shit.
That is very easy for me to accept and I am in no way insulted by the fact that you don't care for my crap, it's just not your cup of tea.
The big accomplishment is when you can accept that some people will say there are better stories than yours and they prefer to not read them.
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