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You know, DP, it seems to me that a great many of your posts are full of complaints about the content created on other sites. Yet, here you have a site where you won't be censored (outside of a very few rules that I think all of us are good with). Many of us contribute original work here. You have a golden opportunity to create content according to what you like, as unwoke or woke as you choose to be.

Why not put your efforts into creating some really good material that we might look at and say "Wow!"? Show us all how it should be done. Just a thought...
 
You don’t think it could have anything at all to do with the rise of competing cable and satellite channels and streaming services ?
Of course it does, and in the article referenced by the video, Russell T Davies mentions this, but the loss of viewers from key pop culture franchises (across all networks) can clearly be traced back to political alienation of audiences. I really don't know where media executives get the idea that dividing (and in many cases insulting) their audience can be good for business.
I watched the video (and read the original Guardian article it discusses) .. there’s nothing in there about “wokeness” or “political correctness” or “diversity”.,, Russell T Davies at no point even mentions them. The BBC is suffering because of increased competition; this has got nothing to do with your fantasy of “insanely woke leftist propaganda”.
Of course he doesn't mention the woke culture - because he's very much a part of it. The BBC are heavily in denial about the effect that woke propaganda is having on their audience numbers

He’s not even discussing “Doctor Who”, (although the video tries to make it all about Doctor Who, so they can push their agenda,
Because Russell T Davies is the guy who brought Doctor Who back to TV after a 16-year absence
because they’re upset about the female re-casting I presume).
Bullshit - this is the standard strawman argument used by all the leftists who desperately try to silence those who can see through their agenda. Nobody complains about a female doctor - people are complaining when the show insults their viewers for their views on Brexit and other current (at the time) political issues. also, the BBC's insistence that everything is political and if you're white and straight then you're a nazi, is extremely grating for a lot of people. Hell it's grating for me and I'm not even straight!
He’s talking about BBC drama in general, and saying that while it’s in a golden age right now, it can’t last forever because of the mounting financial pressure on the BBC due to increased competition,
Indeed but that's only part of the equation - ask anybody in the street who has any interest in pop culture and they'll tell you that they're fed up of being lectured on how evil they are just because they don't agree with the extreme left opinions of the rich elitists that run the media.
nothing to do with people refusing to watch because of excessive wokeness or whatever.
Absolutely, provably WRONG on many levels
Sorry but you’re misrepresenting the situation entirely.
No I'm not
And unlike “clownfish tv”, the BBC has a charter, and rules, and standards, and a commitment to impartiality and fair-handedness.
The BBC's charter also forbids them from displaying ANY kind of political bias, yet they routinely break this rule every day. And as for Clownfish TV, they have built up a strong following for their fair and even-handed reporting of pop culture related subjects over seberal years, without any of the bias seen in the mainstream media. Yes the BBC claim to be committed to impartiality, but they haven't been following that for a long time now, and I can't even remember the time when the BBC was "fair-handed".

Don't forget that the BBC is publicly funded through specific taxation, so they are supposed to represent the views of all citizens in what is a very diverse and inclusive country, yet they are deliberately alienating huge swathes of the population with their heavily one-sided political bias.

Even a blind man can see that the BBC is no longer following the rules laid out in its charter...
While certain shows and presenters may have a bias one way or the other (it goes both ways), the BBC in general is politically neutral. I would suggest it only looks like “far-left propaganda” to those who have jumped off the far-right diving board. ;)
The BBC hasn't been politically neutral for a great many years, and there is definitely a degree of far left propaganda in their content these days which has not gone unnoticed even by the most passive of viewers.

As for the "far right" thing, well here we go again - I'm actually a left-leaning liberal (a "classic" liberal, if you like) - the kind that values freedom of speech, freedom of expression, a willingness to engage in discourse on any and all subjects. The kind who would never attack or insult anyone with differing opinions and would never call for the cancellation of anyone who disagrees with me. Of course to the far left extremists on the US west coast these days, even someone who leans left is seen as being far right.

They even describe people like me as "nazis" (Which is incredibly weird, since (despite what decades of media doctrine would suggest), the nazis were actually far left themselves, not far right - "nazi" is short for "National Socialist", and socialism is most definitely a leftist ideology. For some reason, over the years, the media has applied the "far right" label to them and similar groups, probably because the media has always been left-leaning (though rarely as extremly as they are today), and perhaps when they see the nazis, they see a little too much of their own ideology for their own comfort...)

Coming back to today, we see people having their lives and careers destroyed because they have the "wrong" (to the leftists) opinions. we see civilised discussion being shut down all across the internet and mainstream media. We see free speech being curtailed more and more every day. We see racism and sexism being openly promoted (the plague of anti-white rhetoric coming out of the media today is not acceptable to most right-thinking people - the media call it "reverse racism" (but that's still racism!) or "positive discrimination" (but that's still discrimination!). We see media being retroactively censored to push an idological message.

And only this week, we see a person (albeit a pretty horrible one) being fired from their jobs for being the wrong weight (Amber Heard just got fired from Aquaman 2 "because she'd put on too much weight"

(Of course we ALL know the real reason she was fired - because Warner Bros can't afford the box office catastrophe that would ensue if they kept her in the movie, and they could never fire her for the real reason because fucking twit-twat would get upset with them, so for some bizarre reason they thought it would be acceptable to say they fired her for not meeting their standards for physical perfection...

...and then THEY have the fucking audacity to call US "nazis"!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wokeness and Cancel Culture are NOT helpful - they have done more to damage the fabric of society in general than anything else in my lifetime. They are NOT progressive - they are regressive, taking us back to a time when it was somehow ok to discriminate based on sexuality or skin colour. They are NOT inclusive - they are divisive in the extreme, creating tribalism and intolerance wherever they manifest

They are nothing short of the ugly faces of modern-day fascism, and as long as there is breath in my body I will stand up and fight against this pernicious evil whenever I see it :mad:

The woke leftists refer to their opponents as fascists, yet their own methods and actions prove very clearly that this is just projection. THEY are the real fascists today, and that breaks my heart because my grandfather gave his life in 1943 years ago trying to protect the free world from this evil scourge. If he could see the actions of the extremists on the US west coast today, he would turn in his grave!

Anyway, I've said my piece on this now and I have no wish to drag this thread into a slanging match, particularly not with fellow members, all of whom I admire and respect greatly, so I hope that we are all able to tolerate and respect each others' opinions and viewpoints on all subjects and I look forward to engaging in conversations on more pleasurable subjects going forward...
 
Yes, I don't want to stop a vigorous though reasonably civil debate, but this has moved a long way from Deviant Art and why it's changed course.
Almost every day, further 'outlaws' from DA arrive here, and they may want to share their thoughts and experiences in this thread - so please can we keep it for that kind of conversation.

If DarkPrincess, MontyCrusto and others want to continue to exchange opinions, please start a politics PM and invite in all those who are likely to be interested.

Thanks :embarazada:
 
Yes, I don't want to stop a vigorous though reasonably civil debate, but this has moved a long way from Deviant Art and why it's changed course.
Almost every day, further 'outlaws' from DA arrive here, and they may want to share their thoughts and experiences in this thread - so please can we keep it for that kind of conversation.

If DarkPrincess, MontyCrusto and others want to continue to exchange opinions, please start a politics PM and invite in all those who are likely to be interested.

Thanks :embarazada:
As I mentioned above, I have no wish to see this thread degenerate into mud-slinging and name-calling (this isn't twitter, after all). My opinions are not going to change and it seems likely that nobody eles's will either - and that's fine by me. I certainly don't want to try to influence other peoples' thoughts - that's not my business - in fact that's my primary objection to woke culture. I've said my piece on this so let's move on to better things :)
 
Agreed; while I don’t like leaving such utter balderdash to stand unchallenged, I also appreciate the futility of continuing. I do accept the existence of opposing views and the absolute right of people to express them. Let’s move on with (I hope) no hard feelings. :p The thread is supposed to be about DeviantArt!:rolleyes:
 
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You know, DP, it seems to me that a great many of your posts are full of complaints about the content created on other sites. Yet, here you have a site where you won't be censored (outside of a very few rules that I think all of us are good with). Many of us contribute original work here. You have a golden opportunity to create content according to what you like, as unwoke or woke as you choose to be.

Why not put your efforts into creating some really good material that we might look at and say "Wow!"? Show us all how it should be done. Just a thought...
I would absolutely read anything “unwoke” written by @Darkprincess69

After all that’s what I come here for!
 
@Daniel-RM I can recommend pixiv if you’re not there already. If DA decides to ban you, you don’t get any warning.. so just make sure you’ve got everything saved; I lost a couple of things I had in my stash :doh:
 
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@Daniel-RM I can recommend pixiv if you’re not there already. If DA decides to ban you, you don’t get any warning.. so just make sure you’ve got everything saved; I lost a couple of things I had in my stash :doh:
I have pixiv already.

losing files doesn't worry me, i have everything saved in a portable hard disk.
i'll stop supporting deviantart.

thanks for the advice.
 
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