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Fit, Lovely Ladies Crucified
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poem21045
Tribunus Plebis
One of my favs! Of course, you have to like the stretched-out look, where there isn't much room for the dance. The model struggles nicely, though. And, she's HOT.
Here's a snippet for you, Bb. (Remember to turn on the sound. It defaults to mute for some reason.)
is this one or 16 better
poem21045
Tribunus Plebis
Wow! Tough question.
The two videos (Crucifixion 32 and Crucifixion 16) both feature attractive models who emote well, although I think 16's acting is a touch better. The model in 32 begins with a loincloth, which gets stripped away, and she also has the advantage (?) of being nailed to her cross. Both of these can be real turn-ons for some viewers. 16 is twenty-eight minutes long; 32 is eighteen minutes, if that matters to you.
The deciding factor (if you're considering purchase) may be the price: 16 is $28, whereas 32 is $18.
sculpteur
Assistant executioner
I find that an interesting point that I would like to share some thoughts to.
For me in some way, a crucifixion vid gets very boring, soon, if there is just this ballet for minutes. And in fact I also don't believe that this is the natural reaction of the body tied in a painful position.
I have never done a real crucifixion, but I had many experiences with Kinbaku which has at some points the same concept: tying someone in a helpless and painful position ... and then wait and watch. The reaction of the women I tied and of nearly all people I have been seeing tied that way was exactly the opposite of what you see in a lot performed videos: they became absolutely quiet and did move as less as possible. You could see their struggles with the immense pain mainly in the play of their mimics, their hands and the way their breath changed. As my partner is a very talented rigger, I also allowed her to tie me up in torturing positions. As soon as I had to accept the pain - saying I did not stop the session immediately - I felt like wanting to move as less as possible.
I think this has a reason. The mammals biochemistry usually reacts to danger, pain, and fear with an extreme rush of adreanline. This is used as a power engine to either fight or flight. Adreanlin therefore somehow increases the pain and the panic even more. It stresses the body to create a fast an intense reaction that can cause people to do things they could not believe they can do in a normal state. But also this means an extreme use of energy and excitement.
But there is a third way, that mammals brains start to switch to, if neither fight nor flight seems to work and when adreanlin is not of any use any more. If the brain realises that there is no option left that makes sense of any physical reaction, the whole system starts to switch to a mode of play death, which makes some sense in nature as this can cause predators to loose interest. At that point, the brain starts to signal a rush of opioids and endorphins, that cause the whole system to just run down, forget about any pain and fear and somehow even relax. Yes, I have experienced that with my own body and I could not believe what happend. Also I have many snapshots of women I tied in terribly painful positions that left marks on them for days, and when they watched these snapshots later, they were astonished how happy and peaceful they look while hanging in such extreme bondages.
In my experience, any try to move in torture bondage was like awakening from that state of trance and made the torture just worse. Sometimes, you really carefully try to change a position, but you never do that fast or like a pornstar maoning into the camera. Real moans of pain are very silent in my eyes.
I also had times when I did a few bondage-shootings with a guy producing commercial vids. The models we tied for the camera always reacted to the tight ropes with the typical play-death mode, the more, the more amateur they were. He always stressed them with telling them to play for the audience and not just lie around. It was hard for them to play and move for the audience, while their whole body wanted to flee the pain and shame and helplessness through silence. It was just not the natural reaction of their bodies tied.
So I believe, sometimes victims on a cross moved. But sure not like a sexy bellydancer. To me this seems totally unnatural and reminds me of some guy standing behind the camera, telling them to move around for the audience. I really don't like that.
But hey, this is about fantasy and if poeple like it that way, why not! Guess the producers know what sells better - and I always was a bit off mainstream with my taste
Interesting observations, Sculpteur. I think you're quite right about the way the human body deals with pain, I've experienced it to a small extent my self, the 'switched off' mode, and people who've been tortured do talk of a kind of detachment, even an 'out of body' experience, as though what was happening to their bodies wasn't happening to them. Certainly someone tied or nailed up on a cross would very soon lapse into doing - being able to do - no more than struggle breathe, and that painfully.
sculpteur
Assistant executioner
Hi Apostate, I did not find it, I made it
a sculpture and some drawings from me ... and what might follow in the future
And the price of new handmade originals? This is always hard to calculate, as I am not a professional freelancer and cannot offer a bill for I would otherwise need to go through the complicated process of declaring an enterprise to the tax office. Which is not worth for just one order. So the...
www.cruxforums.com
I. Am. Impressed.Hi Apostate, I did not find it, I made it
a sculpture and some drawings from me ... and what might follow in the future
And the price of new handmade originals? This is always hard to calculate, as I am not a professional freelancer and cannot offer a bill for I would otherwise need to go through the complicated process of declaring an enterprise to the tax office. Which is not worth for just one order. So the...www.cruxforums.com
sculpteur
Assistant executioner
Thanks for supporting my thoughts.
I also found in one of my books this EEG study on the brain of a tied person, before and during suspension
(those pervert scientists) It is in the chapter „Neuroscience Meets Rope“ in the book „Better Bondage for Every Body“ by Evie Vane.
But I am afraid we get a bit off topic now. Maybe there is need for a thread called
„Fit, Lovely Ladies Brains Crucified“
So I will stop that discussion here and leave the stage again to the fit, lovely Ladies no matter what their brains do.
geolier
Tribune
Great. Naked and pubic hair. I love it.
Baron Von Sade
Governor
This is probably why I prefer tight crosses over loose hanging, and generally am not a fan of energetic dance.I find that an interesting point that I would like to share some thoughts to.
For me in some way, a crucifixion vid gets very boring, soon, if there is just this ballet for minutes. And in fact I also don't believe that this is the natural reaction of the body tied in a painful position.
I have never done a real crucifixion, but I had many experiences with Kinbaku which has at some points the same concept: tying someone in a helpless and painful position ... and then wait and watch. The reaction of the women I tied and of nearly all people I have been seeing tied that way was exactly the opposite of what you see in a lot performed videos: they became absolutely quiet and did move as less as possible. You could see their struggles with the immense pain mainly in the play of their mimics, their hands and the way their breath changed. As my partner is a very talented rigger, I also allowed her to tie me up in torturing positions. As soon as I had to accept the pain - saying I did not stop the session immediately - I felt like wanting to move as less as possible.
I think this has a reason. The mammals biochemistry usually reacts to danger, pain, and fear with an extreme rush of adreanline. This is used as a power engine to either fight or flight. Adreanlin therefore somehow increases the pain and the panic even more. It stresses the body to create a fast an intense reaction that can cause people to do things they could not believe they can do in a normal state. But also this means an extreme use of energy and excitement.
But there is a third way, that mammals brains start to switch to, if neither fight nor flight seems to work and when adreanlin is not of any use any more. If the brain realises that there is no option left that makes sense of any physical reaction, the whole system starts to switch to a mode of play death, which makes some sense in nature as this can cause predators to loose interest. At that point, the brain starts to signal a rush of opioids and endorphins, that cause the whole system to just run down, forget about any pain and fear and somehow even relax. Yes, I have experienced that with my own body and I could not believe what happend. Also I have many snapshots of women I tied in terribly painful positions that left marks on them for days, and when they watched these snapshots later, they were astonished how happy and peaceful they look while hanging in such extreme bondages.
In my experience, any try to move in torture bondage was like awakening from that state of trance and made the torture just worse. Sometimes, you really carefully try to change a position, but you never do that fast or like a pornstar maoning into the camera. Real moans of pain are very silent in my eyes.
I also had times when I did a few bondage-shootings with a guy producing commercial vids. The models we tied for the camera always reacted to the tight ropes with the typical play-death mode, the more, the more amateur they were. He always stressed them with telling them to play for the audience and not just lie around. It was hard for them to play and move for the audience, while their whole body wanted to flee the pain and shame and helplessness through silence. It was just not the natural reaction of their bodies tied.
So I believe, sometimes victims on a cross moved. But sure not like a sexy bellydancer. To me this seems totally unnatural and reminds me of some guy standing behind the camera, telling them to move around for the audience. I really don't like that.
But hey, this is about fantasy and if poeple like it that way, why not! Guess the producers know what sells better - and I always was a bit off mainstream with my taste
Before then I’d like to observe that this
correlates closely to what a lifestyle sub I once knew described as "the zone."
sculpteur
Assistant executioner
sculpteur
Assistant executioner
Yes, know many people calling it „rope space“ Would be interesting if there is someone experiencing it as „cross space“, too
adele
Condemned
adele
Condemned
i am always fascinated by the young women stretched out on the crosses and how they emote. However, what i wonder is even with makar models there appears to be a time limit they can hold the pose. In a real crucifixion especially with ropes were the victims that close to death , i thought it could go on for days before their health was compromised. Am i missing something??
sculpteur
Assistant executioner
I guess the problem with models could be, that beeing tied like that can easily cause nerve damages on the nerves running through the wrists but also through the stressed shoulders. Also there might be problems with blood flow in the hands after some time.
If you want to go back to normal life after your crucifixion, these issues can cause serious problem. I know several people who had serious nerve damages through rope play.
If you are meant to hang there for the rest of your life: well, killed nerves won‘t kill you.
poem21045
Tribunus Plebis
At the risk of reopening the hot-pants-on-the-cross debate, here's a new entry from our friend Alex. It's a two-parter, and it goes through a simple narrative of scourging and crucifixion. Here's part 1, followed by part 2.
Let's not argue over the model's short shorts again. No use beating a deadcrucified woman horse!
Let's not argue over the model's short shorts again. No use beating a dead