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montycrusto
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Well… happy eleventh anniversary @Eulalia , what’s a year or so between friends?Well, Melissa's always caned me for my innumeracy! Put it down to celebrating Hogmanay with a wee dram or ...
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wulf
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In my experience, once you reach a certain age, a year or two doesn't really matter that much.Well, Melissa's always caned me for my innumeracy! Put it down to celebrating Hogmanay with a wee dram or ...
Yes, I think I prefer to call it my second 10th anniversaryIn my experience, once you reach a certain age, a year or two doesn't really matter that much.
Frank Petrexa
Tribune
Apparently Pinochet left traces in lots of places (like a dog marking his territory?).But perhaps, it was about similarities, rather than about differences, between Chile and the GDR.
Honecker must have thought : the way the army in Chile parades :
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That is the same way - and almost in the same uniforms - as we did in the GDR :
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So maybe, Chile is not that bad, and I could feel home there!
AAAS
Silent_Water
Tribune
Apparently Pinochet left traces in lots of places (like a dog marking his territory?).
AAAS
www.science.org
There are several historical developments which were good for nature, but at the same time, they were not good for mankind.
For example, I once read about the hundreds of meters thick ice layers in the center of Greenland in which you really still can see the pollution in different historical times in scientific drilling probes in different millennia!
The pollution of the air above Europe was worst for the first time during the last 10.000 years between exactly the times of the rise and fall of the democracy in Greece and the Roman Empire. Also at the same time, there was the rise of the first united Chinese empire, when for the first time some hundred millions of human beings in the Northern hemisphere of our planet used coal fires for their households and most probably also for the mass production of pottery such as amphorae than ever before.
This amount of pollution was reduced during the Middle Ages so much that there is almost no measurable pollution any more in Greenland's ice, but began again around 1820 with the industrialization of Great Britain, France & Germany and the big human factories in Europe.
Such informations do not really make me happy because it seems that "the best times in general" for our human civilisations also seem to have been "the worst times in general" for the nature of this planet and whenever human beings arrived on some distant islands or on a distant continent like Australia, the extinction of all species there began which could be dangerous for human beings or which simply tasted good in human meals.
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
It has nothing to do with Pinochet.Apparently Pinochet left traces in lots of places (like a dog marking his territory?).
AAAS
Since the 1880's, Chile had its army trained by German instructors. They took over among which, the Prussian parade style traditions, and also the uniform styles, including the characteristic helmets, up to now.
It did not prevent, however Chile to declare war on Germany in 1943.
Silent_Water
Tribune
In 1943, really?
OK, I think, this did not really affect "us Germans" so much any more. At this time, one enemy more or less was no more so important, when 90 % of the world are already your enemies or as one (Prussian-?) German general once said: "Many enemies - much honor!" (=> "Viel Feind', viel Ehr'!")
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
It was a bit complicated, and also had to do with rivalry with Argentina. In the neutral countries of Latin America, there were German spy rings active. Chile supplied raw materials, like copper, to the US. On one hand, the German spy rings in Chile also passed economical information about this to Argentina. German agents had also plans to sabotage copper supplies. When a Chilean merchant vessel underway to the US was sunk by a U-boat, things heated up, and Chile declared war on Germany, and eradicated the spy rings.In 1943, really?
OK, I think, this did not really affect "us Germans" so much any more. At this time, one enemy more or less was no more so important, when 90 % of the world are already your enemies or as one (Prussian-?) German general once said: "Many enemies - much honor!" (=> "Viel Feind', viel Ehr'!")
The most important contribution of Chile was then, to patrol in the Pacific, although they only declared war on Japan in 1945.
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montycrusto
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Today the UK passed this milestone: 150,000 people have died of COVID-19.
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
It is already 10 years ago today, that the cruiseship Costa Concordia capsized after striking an underwater rock, off the Isle of Giglio, Tuscany.
The ship had deviated from its intended course. During the disaster, 27 passengers and 5 crew died. The salvage of the wreck, which was one of the largest such operations ever, cost two more lives. The ship was total loss.
The ship had deviated from its intended course. During the disaster, 27 passengers and 5 crew died. The salvage of the wreck, which was one of the largest such operations ever, cost two more lives. The ship was total loss.
Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
There's a great, in depth (and occasionally light-hearted) documentary about it on Youtube;
Frank Petrexa
Tribune
If I recall the captain abandoned ship and was prosecuted for dereliction of duty
Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
Yes he was prosecuted - eventually (it took some time). Apparently the woman who he was alleged to have been having sex with in the moments leading up to the accident has an Onlyfans page, but not sure if that's true as I've never been able to find it...
Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
The Miracle On The Hudson
13 years ago today, on 15th January 2009, US Airways Flight 1549, an Airbus A320 on a flight from New York City's LaGuardia Airport to Charlotte, North Carolina, suffered a severe birdstrike just after takeoff, destroying both engines. What followed was an incredible feat of piloting skill and quick thinking, leading to a genuinely miraculous outcome in which all 155 people onboard survived after the plane ditched in the Hudson River.
Following the incident, the NTSB referred to it as "the most successful ditching in aviation history" - no exaggeration at all, since landing a modern airliner on water is an incredibly difficult thing to do and most previous attempts at doing so have been disastrous. My dad, who was a pilot in RAF Transport Command back in the 1950s, before moving to civilian flying with BOAC in the '60s, often talked about a water landing being one of those nightmare scenarios where "the chances of success are too low to even think about"
It's hard to believe that this was 13 years ago as it seems like just a few years since this remarkable incident made headlines all over the world, and leaving a legacy that led to a successful movie, with Tom Hanks in a lead role as Cpt. Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger.
As always, there are many Youtube documentaries about it, with this one being among the best and most detailed;
13 years ago today, on 15th January 2009, US Airways Flight 1549, an Airbus A320 on a flight from New York City's LaGuardia Airport to Charlotte, North Carolina, suffered a severe birdstrike just after takeoff, destroying both engines. What followed was an incredible feat of piloting skill and quick thinking, leading to a genuinely miraculous outcome in which all 155 people onboard survived after the plane ditched in the Hudson River.
Following the incident, the NTSB referred to it as "the most successful ditching in aviation history" - no exaggeration at all, since landing a modern airliner on water is an incredibly difficult thing to do and most previous attempts at doing so have been disastrous. My dad, who was a pilot in RAF Transport Command back in the 1950s, before moving to civilian flying with BOAC in the '60s, often talked about a water landing being one of those nightmare scenarios where "the chances of success are too low to even think about"
It's hard to believe that this was 13 years ago as it seems like just a few years since this remarkable incident made headlines all over the world, and leaving a legacy that led to a successful movie, with Tom Hanks in a lead role as Cpt. Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger.
As always, there are many Youtube documentaries about it, with this one being among the best and most detailed;
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
That reminds that, 2 days ago, it was 40 years ago (13th january 1982) that Air Florida flight 90 chrashed into the freezing Potomac, Washington DC, just after take-off. The cause was a stall, due to severe icing on the wings and in the engines, which had been handled badly (or say : ignored) by the pilots before take-off. Just before falling into the Potomac, the plane struck a road traffic bridge, killing four occupants of cars there. In contrast to US Airways Flight 1549, the plane went down immediately, and it is about a miracle that a few passengers managed to escape after all. Rescuing them out off the frozen water, from between floating blocks of ice, turned out very difficult, while the survivors were threatened with hypothermia and soon got incapbale to help themselves. Ultimately, under live broadcast (the crash practically happened at the doorstep of the White House, where press is always around), five out of the initial six survivors were rescued. Sadly, 74 other occupants of the plane were killed.
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montycrusto
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Brrr. Reminds me, in the movie “Sully”, the crash investigators ask the co-pilot if he would have done anything different; he said “yes, I’d have done it in July!”
Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
Yes I remember the Potomac accident well - coming from an aviation family I was always very aware of these kind of incidents from quite a young age and the inherent risks involved in flying in poor weather conditions. Interestingly, that one was also made into a movie (though iirc it was a straight to tv movie rather than a mainstream release)
It's worth remembering that the dangers of ice were not as well understood 40 years ago as they are now, but the main contributing factor was the ever-present bogeyman that is completion bias - the desire to get things moving rather than waiting around for another de-icing procedure. These days of course pilots don't generally have the discretion to go ahead with risks of this nature and airline rules are very clear that no amount of ice on a plane is safe and in bad weather like this, it is mandatory to be properly de-iced immediately before departure, and if delays are expected, then to have the procedure carried out just before takeoff rather than having the plane waiting around on the tarmac getting frozen up again. Completion Bias combined with strict scheduling requirements has caused or contributed to quite a few deadly accidents over the decades, not least of which was the 1977 Tenerife disaster, which to this day, remains the very worst accident in aviation history
I think most of us have, at one time or another, been sat on a plane waiting to take off only to be delayed by various technical issues, including de-icing and other safety-critical operations. While it's very easy to get impatient, I would urge anyone in this position to just relax and chill out - as my dad always used to say, "It's better to arrive late in this life, than early in the next one"...
Again, the Mentour Pilot Youtube channel has an in-depth video on the Flight 90 accident;
Seriously for anyone with more than just a passing interest in aviation, this is one of the very best channels on Youtube for fascinating analysis and non-sensational reporting, presented by a real life pilot / instructor.
Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
What a great response! Not sure if FO Jeffrey Skiles actually said those words, but it does sound like exactly the sort of thing an experienced pilot would say