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So then why is this type of porn so popular?

And before you suggest it is a “woman's” fantasy, better than 95% of porn is produced for a male audience and this type of porn constitutes way over 5% of all existing porn.
I'm confused. Why is this type of porn so popular but only constitutes 5% of all existing porn?
 
I'm confused. Why is this type of porn so popular but only constitutes 5% of all existing porn?

You misread what I said. There are people who will claim this type (multiple men on one woman) is porn for women. It isn't, only about 5% (probably less) of porn produced is truly aimed at a female audience and that which is (lesbian porn) doesn't get into this subject.

The vast majority of porn is for guys and the gang-rape porn constitutes way more than 5% of the porn produced so it has to have some appeal to men or they wouldn't produce it

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willowfall
 
1. Group sex with a (gulp) bunch of dudes
It's common, Wikipedia-able knowledge that women experience sexuality in a much more fluid way than most men do, so it's no secret that many (up to 43 percent) of women are turned on by the idea of a threesome with another chick. Yep; we know!

However, a lesser-talked about and much more taboo fantasy many women have is group sex with a bunch of dudes. According to our recent 2016 sex survey, 41 percent of women's dream threesome is with two males (MMF), and women are 80 percent more likely to watch gangbang porn than men are for the sheer reason that when it comes to dick, the more, the merrier.

Females are also, in general, much more likely to search for threesome and group sex porn; 75 percent more often in fact. This shows that for many women, there's an inherent interest in being overpowered, or at the least flooded with sensation, two thing that are panty-soaking because it makes it hard to concentrate on anything else. It's hard for women to verbalize this sometimes, for the sheer fact that telling a man you want to be overcome with cock can bruise his fragile male ego and ellicit the type of sadly uneducated slut shaming that makes it easier to keep this fantasy private. So, if you're interested in your chick's private sexual makeup, this might be something you have to ask her about before she tells you.

 
I think it's a very interesting subject fallenmystic.

Have you heard the theory of 'autogynephilia'? It is promulgated by some psychologists/sexologists to explain a percentage (not all) of male>female transgenders. It is controversial of course, not really universally accepted by all but taken as plausible by many in the field. Basically, the idea is that these individuals, who have male bodies and are for most practical purposes male, have strong sexual attraction to the idea of being a woman. They are sexually attracted to themselves as women. I believe this sort of fantasy also applies to a fair number of cis het males. I know it applies to me. So the attraction to porn involving a woman being overwhelmed by multiple males is a powerful extension of that fantasy, but IRL, they are still cis het men, so real life cannot practically match the fantasy exactly.

I think you are right on with your observations about cis het males being hardwired to a reaction of defensiveness, if not hostility, triggered by close proximity of other men being sexual. And to help support them in getting over homo-phobia and group sex with other men, acknowledge that instinct but stress that they can move beyond that, and should because there are great potential benefits! It reminds me a little of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy --employing rational thinking to overcome impulses and habits that are unwanted.
 
1. Group sex with a (gulp) bunch of dudes

You are aware that there were studies done in the 90s that indicated most sex type survey's were completely unreliable (actually surveys and polls in general are unreliable as elections in a number of nations over the last 7-9 years have proved) because the respondents were generally screwing with the people taking the survey (just like most of the letters from "women" in Playboy or Penthouse were fake).

To say nothing of the amount of false information on Wikipedia (and the internet in general).

As a bi-sexual woman who is a member of a BDSM club and in a lesbian relationship I can tell you, based on my conversations with other women, while we have all had fantasies about a 3some with the right 2 guys and even the occasional gang rape one but none of us are watching that type of porn (or porn in general) unless the guy we are with suggests we do it with them.

Besides which we are multi-orgasmic and can still have orgasms well after our partner is thru for the night. I read an anthropological argument that nature designed women to be multi-orgasmic, to lean towards multiple partners, in order to diversify the gene pool. Males can spread their gene pool fairly easily as even at one woman a month in 9 months they can impregnate 9 women. Whereas once pregnant we are out of commission for that same time period.

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willowfall
 
I have been thinking about this topic and one thing that comes to my mind is the influence of sexuality a person has. This could start with who taught a person about sexuality. In general the basics of sex when growing up is taught usually by either the mother or the father. However sometimes a person does not have a father or a mother when growing up. This could result in a more concentrated influence of a male or female perspective of sex. For myself I did not grow up with a father so I could say my ideas of sex come from a more female perspective. One other thing of note is if a person is curious about their sexuality and the ways to go about finding out what attracts them the influence they had from growing up could be a factor as to what they decide is attractive to them.
 
You misread what I said
Gotcha!
My call is that we, straight guys, usually consider porn as a pure fantasy. A crucified women for example, is a fantasy for me but I never really had tried to crucified a woman in real life.

The same goes for any other porn on the internet, including gang rapes.

I guess woman, in general, try to actually recreate in real life what they see on the internet.
 
I have no idea why that sort of porn is popular. I suppose I'm about as straight as they come - never had any sexual interest in another man. I have no desire to be in a sexual situation with another man. I don't feel any revulsion for another man's body. I don't get uneasy in a shower with other men at the gym; I'm simply not interested. I really don't see the attraction for a 2M1F configuration. I have seen data that suggests that women are more likely to be bi than men. If this is true, a video featuring a 1M2F configuration should be more popular. That said, the world is a wiggly place.
Jollyrei's comprehensive and detailed study of the conundrum posed by the OP has in fact arrived at the definitive answer to the question "the world is a wiggly place" I can see a Nobel Prize coming for this astounding piece of work, well done (seriously, that's as good an answer as one could hope for....)
 
There's something weird about me, and I'm not sure if there's a specific name for the condition, but not only do I never imagine myself indulging in dark desires in my fantasies, but I'm not even present in them at all. I'm not doing any fucking or whipping or nailing, I'm just a voyeur, some guy sitting in a movie theater or from a spectators tower following a woman's story. It's all very abstract. It led to some weird personal issues because even though I fell in love with every girl I went to school with up until young adulthood, I never had sexual fantasies about any of them, and thought that even imagining them naked would disempower them or something.

So, given the chance, I wouldn't indulge myself. I would watch other people indulge themselves.
So it's not just me, then?
 
Very interesting. What I am seeing is a certain amount of guilt by men for having these thoughts which I blame on society's attempts in the last 150 years or so (accelerated in the last 60) to override biological necessity by emasculating males (that somehow being male is toxic).

"I would not participate" or "She wants me to do it" yet you are still looking, supporting the material and it's production.

And NO I am not blaming you for anything. In fact I am commending your resistance to the indoctrination (even if you don't recognize it) against your nature.

The difference between a civilized person (and not all humans are civilized) and animals is our intellectual ability to override our darker more dangerous impulses. Acts are what make you civilized and moral not thoughts.

Still fascinating .............

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willowfall
 
Very interesting. What I am seeing is a certain amount of guilt by men for having these thoughts which I blame on society's attempts in the last 150 years or so (accelerated in the last 60) to override biological necessity by emasculating males (that somehow being male is toxic).

"I would not participate" or "She wants me to do it" yet you are still looking, supporting the material and it's production.

And NO I am not blaming you for anything. In fact I am commending your resistance to the indoctrination (even if you don't recognize it) against your nature.

The difference between a civilized person (and not all humans are civilized) and animals is our intellectual ability to override our darker more dangerous impulses. Acts are what make you civilized and moral not thoughts.

Still fascinating .............

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willowfall
Not sure what you're getting at exactly - are you suggesting that men who watch it really want to do it, but just think otherwise due to societal indoctrination?
 
that somehow being male is toxic
Being male is toxic, and not a little bit.:roto2rie:

The male hormone testosterone, is basically a poison, it causes heart and vascular diseases, cancer, diabetes, kidney diseases, just to name a few more.:ambulance: It also instigates to life threatening behaviour, such as aggression and taking risks.:roto2qtemeto: All factors that may shorten lifetime drastically.:sidra_1:

Males are evolutionary programmed to live fast, procreate as fast as possible, just to become expendable. So why not enjoying life, including some kinks, since it is short.:roto2nuse:

(by the way, I am not in that gang rape kink, this discussion started with).
 
Not sure what you're getting at exactly - are you suggesting that men who watch it really want to do it, but just think otherwise due to societal indoctrination?

Not quite. And this is where the civilizing factor comes in.

Male biology is designed to allow them to compete for mates (in fact drives them to it) and to procreate with them. Nature created sex for procreation and nothing else, it took humans to turn it into an Olympic sport and throw in guilt.

The concept of women having "rights" even not being some sort of property (one of the reasons Elizabeth the 1st never married is her society required her to 'obey' her husband and she felt a Queen of England that conflicted with her rights as Queen) is a fairly modern concept. It is only recently that sex with your wife against her will has been considered rape.

Most of what we see here has a sexual aspect to it (display of the female body or sex acts) which appeals to the base human drive to procreate. There is also a significant domination factor by the tormentor (usually male) in what is portrayed here. In older societies with little or no restrictions on males seizing what they wanted, by force if necessary, it was not only common place but accepted this physical dominance and sexual rights.

Modern society teaches a form of relationship between men and women which is not biological but is based on rule of law and 'respect' (and trying to turn females into ersatz males).

The teachings of civilization clash with biological drive (which is far older and ingrained into our DNA), so biology drives the male towards wanting to have sex, to be dominant (even if violence is necessary) but our teachings tell men that is not acceptable.

Result subconscious confusion and guilt.

All societal transitions are really nothing more than a transfer of power from one group to another. The group with power resists the transition, the one without demands it. Usually it works out pretty well unless we try to fight nature itself, in this case hardwired biological programming.

Most men today accept that what is portrayed here is unacceptable behavior and will not engage with it but they would never be watching (pr creating) it if there wasn't a certain appeal to aspects of it.

And I don't disagree with the concept to rule of law. Personally while I may have rape fantasies I really don't think it is in my best personal interest to be seized, raped by a man )or men), dragged off to his castle and be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen until the next pretty thing catches his wandering eye.

But I do recognize the clash of the immovable object with the (currently) irresistible force.

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willowfall
 
The male hormone testosterone, is basically a poison, it causes heart and vascular diseases, cancer, diabetes, kidney diseases, just to name a few more.:ambulance: It also instigates to life threatening behaviour, such as aggression and taking risks.:roto2qtemeto: All factors that may shorten lifetime drastically.:sidra_1:

Well I'm not sure there a politically acceptable way to respond to that but it MASSIVELY wrong.

If it were not for testosterone we would not be having this conversation because humans would have died out long ago. Humans clawed there way up out of the mud because males are biologically programmed to be aggressive and violent, Without the desire to be violent and take risks (like going after a woolly mammoth with a sharpened stick) we would not have survived as a species.

And I'd love anybody who says differently to show me a methodology that would have allowed humans to advance from falling out of trees to spaceships without violence and risk.

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willowfall
 
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