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cryptic

Condemned
Sorry this is not the point. We were not speaking about the type of body (shape or beauty of woman body), we were speaking about the age of the person. It's not the same a child (teenager) than an adult.
I believe there may be a regional difference in perspective regarding fictional people. Whereas real persons who have NOT reached the age of majority are protected from erotic portrayals pretty much world-wide, fictional minors may be protected in Europe (if I understand correctly), but have absolutely no protection in USA or Japan. For that reason, US and Japanese artists don't worry about how youthful their people look, but European artists (or contributors to European sites like deviant art) will write disclaimers saying the depicted person is over 18. In the US such disclaimers mean nothing - if is a real person you must maintain records proving their age (a mere disclaimer will not suffice), but if it not a real person, nobody cares one way or the other (and certainly nothing can be proven one way or the other).

BTW, it is not necessarily easy to judge a real or fictional person's age merely from their appearance. My partner weighed only 40 kg (90 lb) until her first pregnancy at age 30.
 

Dafnees

Tribune
I believe there may be a regional difference in perspective regarding fictional people. Whereas real persons who have NOT reached the age of majority are protected from erotic portrayals pretty much world-wide, fictional minors may be protected in Europe (if I understand correctly), but have absolutely no protection in USA or Japan. For that reason, US and Japanese artists don't worry about how youthful their people look, but European artists (or contributors to European sites like deviant art) will write disclaimers saying the depicted person is over 18. In the US such disclaimers mean nothing - if is a real person you must maintain records proving their age (a mere disclaimer will not suffice), but if it not a real person, nobody cares one way or the other (and certainly nothing can be proven one way or the other).

BTW, it is not necessarily easy to judge a real or fictional person's age merely from their appearance. My partner weighed only 40 kg (90 lb) until her first pregnancy at age 30.
Yes, probably you're right about the difference in perspective in EEUU, Japan an Europe.
But this time, I was only expressing my opinion: that I did not get any pleasure seeing how a girl (real or not) was being severely whipped.
It is a simple matter of humanity, of innocence and helplessness of children. That was simply the point. She could be our daughter...
 

cryptic

Condemned
Yes, probably you're right about the difference in perspective in EEUU, Japan an Europe.
But this time, I was only expressing my opinion: that I did not get any pleasure seeing how a girl (real or not) was being severely whipped.
It is a simple matter of humanity, of innocence and helplessness of children. That was simply the point. She could be our daughter...
Oh boy... do I understand that! There's a lot of stuff on this site that grosses me out. But everybody's got different tastes and different limits. Mine are comparatively tame: pretty pink stripes yes; blood no.
 

nsur1

Executioner
It's the flogging of Matryona Balk from Peter the Great: The Testament, a Russian TV series. It's on YouTube in full.

Interestingly, Matryona Balk was the mother of Natalia Lopukhina. Matryona was flogged in 1718 and sent to Siberia by Peter The Great, and a couple of decades later in 1742 Natalia was also publicly flogged and had her tongue cut out before being sent to Siberia at the command of Peter The Great's daughter, the tsarina Elisabeth. Dangerous business, being a Russian courtier.
 

Marcius

Governor
Interestingly, Matryona Balk was the mother of Natalia Lopukhina. Matryona was flogged in 1718 and sent to Siberia by Peter The Great
To be exact, Matryona was punished in November 1724 along with her brother Willem Mons. Willem lost his head for sundry crimes -- and. most probably, for bedding Peter's wife, Catherine. I suppose Balk's story got mixed up with the 1718 Tsarevich Alexis business which saw another noblewoman knouted. Back then Peter had his ex-wife Eudoxia Lopukhina (another family member!), Alexis's mother, sentenced by an ecclesiastical court (she was a nun) to be flogged for fornication (she wasn't much of a nun) etc.

Peter died in January 1725, and Matryona didn't get to Siberia -- Catherine, not only Peter's widow but his successor on the throne, stopped Balk en route and ordered her to Moscow. The empress's mercy isn't all that surprising, given that Matryona got in trouble because of Catherine.
, and a couple of decades later in 1742 Natalia was also publicly flogged and had her tongue cut out before being sent to Siberia at the command of Peter The Great's daughter, the tsarina Elisabeth. Dangerous business, being a Russian courtier.
'... each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.' :span1:
 

twonines

Senator
To be exact, Matryona was punished in November 1724 along with her brother Willem Mons. Willem lost his head for sundry crimes -- and. most probably, for bedding Peter's wife, Catherine. I suppose Balk's story got mixed up with the 1718 Tsarevich Alexis business which saw another noblewoman knouted. Back then Peter had his ex-wife Eudoxia Lopukhina (another family member!), Alexis's mother, sentenced by an ecclesiastical court (she was a nun) to be flogged for fornication (she wasn't much of a nun) etc.

Peter died in January 1725, and Matryona didn't get to Siberia -- Catherine, not only Peter's widow but his successor on the throne, stopped Balk en route and ordered her to Moscow. The empress's mercy isn't all that surprising, given that Matryona got in trouble because of Catherine.

'... each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.' :span1:
The only thing missing is the arrest and punishment of Countess Barbara Moorova!
 

nsur1

Executioner
To be exact, Matryona was punished in November 1724 along with her brother Willem Mons. Willem lost his head for sundry crimes -- and. most probably, for bedding Peter's wife, Catherine. I suppose Balk's story got mixed up with the 1718 Tsarevich Alexis business which saw another noblewoman knouted. Back then Peter had his ex-wife Eudoxia Lopukhina (another family member!), Alexis's mother, sentenced by an ecclesiastical court (she was a nun) to be flogged for fornication (she wasn't much of a nun) etc.

Thanks, Marcius. You're entirely right, of course -- the link I was quoting had the date wrong. 1718 wouldn't have worked with the chronology of Peter's reign.
 
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