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Fantasmo
Senator
Basically I am in agreement with the rules as well, as long as they are taken by the word. I voiced my concerns elsewhere.
I'd just like to emphasize that I have not yet seen a really objectionable post in here during all those months and one should not be overly paranoid and too hasty with "censoring".
There are other, way more critical problems for the operators of this site that I expressed in PM.
I'd just like to emphasize that I have not yet seen a really objectionable post in here during all those months and one should not be overly paranoid and too hasty with "censoring".
There are other, way more critical problems for the operators of this site that I expressed in PM.
111jack
Governor
As a guest to me follow the rules of my host it's a duty , as a member of the forum all i can say it's that every community must have rules and people who has charges of others.
I deply respect all people of the staff they allways are so kind and i feel really well knowing to have them here, i'm subcribed in many others forums and for sure this is has the best staff.
Thanks to ALL you are doing a great job !!
I deply respect all people of the staff they allways are so kind and i feel really well knowing to have them here, i'm subcribed in many others forums and for sure this is has the best staff.
Thanks to ALL you are doing a great job !!
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The Fallen Angel
Guest
Thanks for the comments so far. They are very encouraging. I can assure anyone reading this that we are not into censorship...have you read "Crucifixion of the Christian Virgins" ? or any story by Willowfall that Jules and myself have illustrated?..we are not prudes. If you don't believe me then also read "The Breaking of Faith"...if you dare!!
I think it is a good sign that Fantasmo has not seen a really objectionable post over the last few months. Something must be working.
After several weeks of wrangling and arm twisting we have finally published our agreed set of Rules and Conditions for folk to comment on. You really would not believe how much time has been spent on this. My personal view is that it would be so easy to allow anything in order to gain increase in membership. We could let members dredge the sewers and cess pits of the web to post the vilest of images..but we chose not to. I want to see this site become a magnet for new and exciting artists who are not afraid to publish their works, whether it be elfgirls at war, a fantasy queen on the rack or whatever produced by so many other brilliant artists on the site. I think it is also important to encourage people whose first language is not English to go ahead and post their story. there will always be someone to help.
Basically I want to see this as a site of quality where members and their opinions are valued.
I think it is a good sign that Fantasmo has not seen a really objectionable post over the last few months. Something must be working.
After several weeks of wrangling and arm twisting we have finally published our agreed set of Rules and Conditions for folk to comment on. You really would not believe how much time has been spent on this. My personal view is that it would be so easy to allow anything in order to gain increase in membership. We could let members dredge the sewers and cess pits of the web to post the vilest of images..but we chose not to. I want to see this site become a magnet for new and exciting artists who are not afraid to publish their works, whether it be elfgirls at war, a fantasy queen on the rack or whatever produced by so many other brilliant artists on the site. I think it is also important to encourage people whose first language is not English to go ahead and post their story. there will always be someone to help.
Basically I want to see this as a site of quality where members and their opinions are valued.
Fantasmo
Senator
I don't think that "allowing any crap" would attract more membership. Keeping the site focussed, but with the right balance and also tolerance to alow some deviations left and right occasionally is a recipe for success.
messaline
Crucified Amazon
I agree providing that deviations would be not intentional to shoke others members; it would be good to anticipate by a sort of "alert" , before censure,
when a member infrige the rule: it's not inevitably easy ,especially for a "novice",
to see where is exactly the limits, in all cases...
Ducans
Governor
For me too it's the only forum I found where you can put your sketches without any shame to give publicity to your fantasm. Pseudo-artistic forums exists, but the versality of their members is so large that you get always negative comments from everybody about anything . I can assure readers that's not easy for a woman to give expression at own fantasies and that of other, without beiïng the object of qualifications that I don't even want to mention here...(they would be censured). dear members, keep on this forum constructive critics please. I think also that increasing quality is better to increase membership. So that's my" point de(of) vue"
Fantasmo
Senator
A good, balanced practice would be "to have the restriction written in the terms" (to discourage huge deviations into that direction, what is in the best interest of the site) but to apply some common sense in the actual enforcement.
You descrive two examples where I don't see need for intervention really.
messaline
Crucified Amazon
Entirely agree with you!
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The Fallen Angel
Guest
It's impossible to be 100% prescriptive and we have no wish to be. The only sensible answer that I can give is that it would depend on how it was done. If I felt shocked or upset (not easily!) by an image or story then I would ask other moderators to take a look and come to an agreement. If you look closely at some of Arcimboldo's works they are horrific...but he does have class. If something is cheap and nasty, simply designed to shock then I guess the majority of moderators would feel the same about it.
Yes, mutilation and cannibalism aren't 'singled out' , they're given (along with images of real people dying) as examples
under the heading of 'hardcore sadistic pornography'.
I'm pretty sure that most people active on CF:
1 know perfectly well what we're thinking of as 'hardcore sadistic' portrayals of those and similar topics,
2 don't want to see, read or wallow in that sort of stuff,
3 are willing to trust the staff to make sensible judgements when such extreme stuff is posted.
under the heading of 'hardcore sadistic pornography'.
I'm pretty sure that most people active on CF:
1 know perfectly well what we're thinking of as 'hardcore sadistic' portrayals of those and similar topics,
2 don't want to see, read or wallow in that sort of stuff,
3 are willing to trust the staff to make sensible judgements when such extreme stuff is posted.
Kodos the Executioner
Governor
The rules/conditions seem to make sense to me and a lot of it seemed to be understood anyway, but it is nice to have them all written down now.
Hangnail
Tribune
I support the idea of having house rules, and I agree with the spirit of the new rules.
However, I have a suggestion about the phrasing of this section:
I think it is overstated to say that such things "will not be allowed" when some of them already occur widely on the site. Many of Markus's stories feature very explicit portrayals of breasts being ripped off. One of his stories, "Last Day in China", portrays cannibalism, but I'm not sure if that story is on this site.
I suggest that we modify this part to be less rigid and to leave the moderators more room to exercise their judgment. For example, it could say "Examples of content that is likely to violate these guidelines include material that focuses excessively on mutilation, dismemberment, or cannibalism."
However, I have a suggestion about the phrasing of this section:
I think it is overstated to say that such things "will not be allowed" when some of them already occur widely on the site. Many of Markus's stories feature very explicit portrayals of breasts being ripped off. One of his stories, "Last Day in China", portrays cannibalism, but I'm not sure if that story is on this site.
I suggest that we modify this part to be less rigid and to leave the moderators more room to exercise their judgment. For example, it could say "Examples of content that is likely to violate these guidelines include material that focuses excessively on mutilation, dismemberment, or cannibalism."
Fantasmo
Senator
Markus' art is the perfect example why I am still a bit skeptical about the wording, but at the end of the day the moderators and their use of the rule are decisive if it's a pain in the a.. or good for the site...
Naraku
Draconarius
I think the Rules have a lot of deliberate "grey areas". And that's a good thing. I believe that the goal is not to let the site become overwhelmed with a particular fetish other than the one in the title. There are other sites for other taste. The occassional vore might be alright & what constitutes "excessive" is going to be strickly a judgement call. Let's face it, the main subject of the site - death by crucifixion - is pretty damned excessive in & of itself.
One concern I have is with the banning process. The rules do not make mention of a warning being issued. I can understand summarily banning a spammer or someone posting obvious kiddie porn. But I would hope that IM or the Mods would some sort of warning to a member posting something that may have inadvertantly crossed a line, as for instance someone making a comment that might be construded as political.
As with most rules, I'm sure there will be some tweeking required.
Thanks Naraku, I think you've expressed very well the goal and "spirit" of the Rules,
it's good if they can be seen not just as a list of "dont's", but as a sign of the very wide range of things we do,
that make CruxForums the lively and popular site it is.
Well, actually ...
Policy on the rights and duties of Staff Members/ Moderators.
All Content you submit or upload may be reviewed by staff members.
We reserve the right to remove or modify any content without explanation.
It is the duty of Moderators to ensure that these Rules and Conditions are observed, and the standards and quality of the site maintained.
Moderators will therefore:
warn you if you are infringing, or are close to infringing, these Rules,
and remove or modify any Content which, in their judgement, is in breach of the rules.
Hangnail
Tribune
That's fine (and actually inevitable). I am just suggesting that the written rules should reflect the actual greyness within which the moderators exercise their discretion.