CRUCIFIXION...How long is enough ??

[Crux-Emperor Baracus X]

Hi,how are you filthy deviants hanging ?? Lol
So,how long should a Crux-movie last to keep your attention ??
This applies to both genders,ergo,Male & Female Crucifixions.
I've seen Crucifixion clips,etc that range from 10 seconds to 90-odd minutes...all from various sources.
Some,good,some,perhaps not so....

I find that it gets rather boring and repetitive after a certain length of time....
Please do NOT think I'm overly criticising the wonderful artists,producers and film-makers,far from it !!
I FULLY appreciate their time and efforts in making those movies, in order to satisfy our unique kinkiness....Without them,we wouldn't even have Cruxforums !!

From an action point of view,not a lot happens, once the person is attached to the cross,to suffer,the indignities of Cruxing...
All the poor soul can do,is basically move up and down,look around and plead for clemency.
Mind you...girls,(in particular) can really go for it in the exotic"dancing" movement stakes,all that rhythmic undulating,thrusting breasts and pussies,as if inviting someone to sexually harrass them..."Wheeew !!"

Personally I feel that in order to maintain an interest the minimum time,should be something like,maybe 90 seconds.
And the maximum should be about 10 minutes.
Anything longer,or shorter is just time-wasting...

That's just my viewpoint.....
Please feel totally free to put forward your opinions, (but keep it civil....!! )
SAFE CRUX everybody !!

 

[dfg42]

I think it depends on what all happens in the clip, your 90s are for one action, but there is many sequences one can show

- flaggelation
- striping
- rape by the executioners
- walking nude wit the patibulum
- nailing/binding
- erection of the cross
- making by the audiance
- fight against an entering cornu
- "death dance"
- last cum shot
- agony

and and and

 

[Crux-Emperor Baracus X]

I think it depends on what all happens in the clip, your 90s are for one action, but there is many sequences one can show

- flaggelation
- striping
- rape by the executioners
- walking nude wit the patibulum
- nailing/binding
- erection of the cross
- making by the audiance
- fight against an entering cornu
- "death dance"
- last cum shot
- agony

and and and

Yeah I agree...if everything from A-Z was involved,then the justification is there....
It's when it's over 10 minutes of someone hanging,writhing,etc on the Cross itself,is when it gets tedious,but....each to their own !!

I think the reason why certain filmmakers, prefer to shoot,say,a half-hour stand-alone, Crucifixion,is that it's not cost-effective for everyone involved,to do anything much shorter... they need to get their money's worth.

 

[Wragg]

I suspect even ninety seconds would seem like a lifetime if you were hanging up there...

 

[windar]

It's when it's over 10 minutes of someone hanging,writhing,etc on the Cross itself,is when it gets tedious,but....each to their own !!

You think that's boring? Try this!

Empire (1964) - IMDb

Empire: Directed by John Palmer, Andy Warhol. With Jonas Mekas, Andy Warhol. A single shot of the Empire State Building from early evening until nearly 3 am the next day.

www.imdb.com

 

[Crux-Emperor Baracus X]

I suspect even ninety seconds would seem like a lifetime if you were hanging up there...

Having experienced it first-hand,I totally agree !!

 

[Barbaria1]

Personally I feel that in order to maintain an interest the minimum time,should be something like,maybe 90 seconds.
And the maximum should be about 10 minutes.

Agree wholeheartedly. It’s all the horrors and humiliations that lead to being nailed and raised that sustain the excitement. Once the victim is up and writhing about, there’s only so much interest remaining.

 

[crumera]

Think you can make a movie of any length.
Just divide it up in shots to keep it interesting.
Camera angles, focus, or events such as watering the crucified, someone mocking the crucified.
maybe even let the crucified narrate a shot with her thoughts.(crucifiedPOV)
Just a continuous shot will bore pretty quickly.
Tell a story of any lenght you desire

 

[Loinclothslave]

So we’re only talking about the timeframe post nailing and raising. And before the leg-breaking?

I mean I surely hope we’re not skipping or rushing the scourging or the lovely stroll carrying the patibulum under the lash?

So post-nailing/crux raising: While I get that the high action spectacle might be lacking, 90s seems a very short if it’s being done well. It will depend on the details and presentation.

I think while the slave-victim settles there’s at least 10 minutes of entertainment as it gets used to the predicament.

Close up shots of the wrists and ankles writhing against the nails, causing fresh bleeding as the slave learns the grim dance. Screaming and whimpering. Close ups of it’s tears.

Shots of the back, scourge wounds re opened as the back scrapes the harsh wood of the stipes. The callous crowd, reveling in the torture.

The slave’s chest heaving as it lifts up for another gasp of air. Hearing the struggle to breath.

Pissing on it’s loincloth. Blood trickling from the nail points.

The dripping sweat, the horrible cramps in close up. Losing control of it’s bowel (which is another good reason for starving the slave for at least 3 days before it’s crucifixion).

Am I alone in desiring time to savour these things?

After this, I’d be content with some fast forwards. The first time the slave gets aroused (btw, I have no idea if this is a complete fantasy, but I hear it so much around here that I’m beginning to feel it is at least possible to get erotic arousal and cum due to being in extremis. And I don’t only mean for kinksters)

Introducing a post nailing Cornu sounds interesting as well, surely there’s a good 5 minutes just in that.

Much later in the day, I want to see a sponge of liquid (vinegar, water, or piss) giving the victim a pathetic drink but theoretically extending the timeframe of it’s suffering.

Later I want to see as it’s failing strength makes it ever more difficult to pull itself up by the wrist nails for another precious sip of air.

Pissing again after it’s drink.

The crowd, thinning but still jeering. Displaying the casual brutality of it all.

If it’s only a one day crucifixion, I definitely want to see the brutal leg breaking, watching the slave suffer even more as it cannot use the ankle nails to lift. And with weakening shoulders, the terrible muscle spasms and the inexorable failure of strength as it becomes unable to lift for another sip of air but desperately tries.

If it’s a longer crucifixion. I want night shots, hopefully with the slave shivering with cold, still struggling in the grim dance. The second day can be skipped through quicker, but still slowing for another drink, taunted by passers by my. An occasional rallying for the slave to beg for mercy and later fir the mercy of a quicker death. The slow weakening.. the pecking of the still living body by carrion birds.

Sounds like at least an hour of entertainment to me.

But it could be much longer. For example, if we’re hearing a narrative from the victim’s perspective then I should imagine I’d want a lot more time. Imagine if it was @Eulalia describing her own suffering, for example?

As I read what I just write, it seems incredible that I barely had a crucifixion fetish before I joined this group! I mean sure, I’d fantasized about it, probably since childhood but not so detailed. This site has provided me an education I hadn’t realised I’d needed.

So thank you![/i]

 

[Crux-Emperor Baracus X]

So we’re only talking about the timeframe post nailing and raising. And before the leg-breaking?

I mean I surely hope we’re not skipping or rushing the scourging or the lovely stroll carrying the patibulum under the lash?

So post-nailing/crux raising: While I get that the high action spectacle might be lacking, 90s seems a very short if it’s being done well. It will depend on the details and presentation.

I think while the slave-victim settles there’s at least 10 minutes of entertainment as it gets used to the predicament.

Close up shots of the wrists and ankles writhing against the nails, causing fresh bleeding as the slave learns the grim dance. Screaming and whimpering. Close ups of it’s tears.

Shots of the back, scourge wounds re opened as the back scrapes the harsh wood of the stipes. The callous crowd, reveling in the torture.

The slave’s chest heaving as it lifts up for another gasp of air. Hearing the struggle to breath.

Pissing on it’s loincloth. Blood trickling from the nail points.

The dripping sweat, the horrible cramps in close up. Losing control of it’s bowel (which is another good reason for starving the slave for at least 3 days before it’s crucifixion).

Am I alone in desiring time to savour these things?

After this, I’d be content with some fast forwards. The first time the slave gets aroused (btw, I have no idea if this is a complete fantasy, but I hear it so much around here that I’m beginning to feel it is at least possible to get erotic arousal and cum due to being in extremis. And I don’t only mean for kinksters)

Introducing a post nailing Cornu sounds interesting as well, surely there’s a good 5 minutes just in that.

Much later in the day, I want to see a sponge of liquid (vinegar, water, or piss) giving the victim a pathetic drink but theoretically extending the timeframe of it’s suffering.

Later I want to see as it’s failing strength makes it ever more difficult to pull itself up by the wrist nails for another precious sip of air.

Pissing again after it’s drink.

The crowd, thinning but still jeering. Displaying the casual brutality of it all.

If it’s only a one day crucifixion, I definitely want to see the brutal leg breaking, watching the slave suffer even more as it cannot use the ankle nails to lift. And with weakening shoulders, the terrible muscle spasms and the inexorable failure of strength as it becomes unable to lift for another sip of air but desperately tries.

If it’s a longer crucifixion. I want night shots, hopefully with the slave shivering with cold, still struggling in the grim dance. The second day can be skipped through quicker, but still slowing for another drink, taunted by passers by my. An occasional rallying for the slave to beg for mercy and later fir the mercy of a quicker death. The slow weakening.. the pecking of the still living body by carrion birds.

Sounds like at least an hour of entertainment to me.

But it could be much longer. For example, if we’re hearing a narrative from the victim’s perspective then I should imagine I’d want a lot more time. Imagine if it was @Eulalia describing her own suffering, for example?

As I read what I just write, it seems incredible that I barely had a crucifixion fetish before I joined this group! I mean sure, I’d fantasized about it, probably since childhood but not so detailed. This site has provided me an education I hadn’t realised I’d needed.

So thank you![/i]

@Loinclothslave1
Thanks for your,interesting input....
You've described a traditional,Roman/Biblical style of Crucifixion succinctly.
However my point,regarding length of time,is aimed at the eroticia-genre style of Crucifixion...
Basically tying a victim upon the cross,for the sake of a quick w@nk.....with no real back-story involved....rather formulaic,in some cases.
Not that I'm really complaining !!
(The stuff that is seen/bought on t'internet, etc....)

Again,however it would be really lovely if some of those routine kinky Crux scenarios had a more expanded upon,back story,with stuff,like the trial,stripping,interrogation,whipping,rape/
fellatio, bearing the cross,ViaCrucis etc...etc...

The one beef I do have with scenes of "Traditional" Roman crucifixion,is they don't dwell on the victims long enough !!
"All done,in the best possible taste !!",to quote Kenny Everett.

A similar gripe,could be aimed at films with nothing but repetitive flogging,over the course of several episodes...
(I mean,just how much flogging can a mere person take ?!)

 

[Eulalia]

In most of the crux-play clips we see here is the girls are obviously under orders to move and 'dance' as much as they can - and they often do, with impressive athleticism and grace - but of course their 'repertoire' of movement is pretty much restricted, and - even though I like watching ballet, a solo dance becomes boring, and the dancer exhausted, within 5 minutes. Watching clips where the girl is fitted on the cross, and maybe even raised up, and then deals with the strain and pain she's experiencing is more realistic, and I empathise - but again, within a few minutes they'll inevitably settle down to hanging still, alternating with relatively brief spasms as they try to ease what's become unbearable. Providing a footrest and/or sedile of course makes a longer session possible, though not necessarily more interesting for the spectators. And additional tortures, whipping etc. will keep the victim moving. But I think prolonged sessions are best edited, with periods of (relative) rest left out.

 

[poem21045]

Agree wholeheartedly. It’s all the horrors and humiliations that lead to being nailed and raised that sustain the excitement. Once the victim is up and writhing about, there’s only so much interest remaining.

Think you can make a movie of any length.
Just divide it up in shots to keep it interesting.
Camera angles, focus, or events such as watering the crucified, someone mocking the crucified.
maybe even let the crucified narrate a shot with her thoughts.(crucifiedPOV)
Just a continuous shot will bore pretty quickly.
Tell a story of any lenght you desire

While I agree with the above (and everything else contributed to this thread!), I think we're missing something quite basic. A crucifixion, for our purposes, is a drama, and one of the rules of theater is always to move the plot forward (called the rising action). That's why preliminaries such as flogging serve to heighten our interest and build suspense to the actual hanging on the cross.

Some crux producers let us down by beginning with a screaming, writhing model on a cross who continues to scream and writhe for 15-30 minutes at the same intensity. Unless we see a change in character --a mounting desperation, a weakening of will, etc.-- and a corresponding physical action --a drooping head, for example-- we lose interest, much like one would who is watching the Empire State Building go through shadows of a day. (BTW, that's not meant to diss Warhol. He was not trying to produce a traditional drama.)

Two examples. Ramon's "Female Christ in Blue Light" begins and ends with a model who looks bored, if a bit worried, on a cross. There is no dancing. There is no escalation of emotion. She ends after 15 minutes looking just as she did at the start. She is quite beautiful, and she squirms throughout. But it is not enough. I watched the entire video only once, and immediately regretting buying it.

On the other hand, look at almost any Makar video. Even his early ones such as the creatively spelled "Cpecial demo trayler" starring the young Lena. It begins with a slow-motion crux dance that evolves into a frenetic twisting, standing, and hanging on the cross that ends with Lena motionless, her head down in a final death resolution. It's only one minute, 22 seconds long, but had vastly more appeal than the Ramon movie.

So bring on the drama! Ever since the Greeks, we've needed it to hold our interest.

 

[LittleSiss]

I have mostly stepped away or hesitated making these types of comments.



But!



My one true problem with nearly, every mayor motion picture (film), little dig, there …



From DeMille or even Scorsese, from Spartacus to even the most bizarre from Mel Gibbons …



Nothing ever depicted the aftermath or placed in correctly in a scene.



This one element of struggle in the back ground or over the shoulder or in a foreground shot … would be key.



Yet! Nearly every movie (film), has the victim just hanging at the most, rolling there heads from side to side.



Even Gibbons with his totally over the top ridiculousness!



Side shots, shots from afar or even flashes of a full shot with the victim struggling would be and give the viewer a more realistic understanding.

 

[KageKamen]

Is this the right forum?

 

[Barbaria1]

Is this the right forum?

Are you lost?

 

[KageKamen]

Are you lost?

No... but I thought the thread might be, given a crucifixion forum exists. But I might just be too much of a "sorter".

 

[dfg42]

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Again,however it would be really lovely if some of those routine kinky Crux scenarios had a more expanded upon,back story,with stuff,like the trial,stripping,interrogation,whipping,rape/
fellatio, bearing the cross,ViaCrucis etc...etc...

I think one could also go more in the direction of different standpoints. For example we could get some ideas of Kurosawa. My (if I would take the lead) movie would consist of the same crucifixion, but seen through the eyes of the audience and everyone sees a different one. Or you could follow the humiliation and could explain in what the humiliation exist, or you see the crucifixion through the eyes of the lovers of the person, I would try some bisexual situation.

I think I would even do a Messias movie like this. It would start with Jesus on the cross, then go to Maria, which showed then in retrospect story of the birth of Jesus, probably in the audience you will see Maria Magdalene, and another follower which will experience his time of his mission. Btw when I mention Maria Magdalena, it is important to show Jesus nude and his penis, because it is a central theme of the bible, that God came into the flesh, not nearly into the flesh, because God did take the orders and wishes of the later Catholic Church. Josef unfortunately was dead that moment, which is a problem of the storyline, but one could have one of three wise men in the audience or one person from Egypt.

 

[KageKamen]

Hi,how are you filthy deviants hanging ?? Lol
So,how long should a Crux-movie last to keep your attention ??
This applies to both genders,ergo,Male & Female Crucifixions.
I've seen Crucifixion clips,etc that range from 10 seconds to 90-odd minutes...all from various sources.
Some,good,some,perhaps not so....

Answering in a more substantative way... well, perhaps it's just because I'm not a big crux fan, but I wouldn't spend much time of just showing people on the cross, unless it's to reveal details of their reaction and suffering. The build-up and process, sure, once they're up, it's time for soem time-skipping.

(One way around this is to have a conversation between the cruxed and an observer or fellow victim - or even one among observers with frequent cutaways to the cross.)

 

[Gibbs505]

. Josef unfortunately was dead that moment, which is a problem of the storyline, but one could have one of three wise men in the audience or one person from Egypt.

That was done in Ben Hur!

 

[Glenarvon]

It's matter of writing, direction and acting ... I think a static scene could hold even for 30-40 ', with a perfect production.
Of, course, it will not be a intense "porn/drama" experience, but something different...
For example, You could show body reactions, progressive muscolar tensions, relaxments, breath changings, alterations of consciousness, phyical and emotional effetcs of pain, tiredness, fear...
Just all character's emotions and feelings could fill 10-20' of face shooting (if the acting is good and the dramatic construction effective).
I remember a wonderful 15-20' long soft-porn video (maybe a Hegre production) with a simple close up a girl's face and chest during an orgasm experience. A HD shoot while you can follow her climax, breath, muscolar tensions, gosebumps, a wide repertory of moans, sighs, whimpers.
Image how richer and varied is a crucifixion experience. And also add all the plot and drama elements...