Girls With Swords!, For Erin

[cruxlover]

Probably very sexy and protection level next to zero.

Naked would be better. Makes you really pay attention to "measure" (sword term that combines both distance and time) and bouncing boobs will really distract your male opponent.

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willowfall

Mind you the Chinese did use silk armour, there are some suits of it in the Victoria and Albert museum in London.
It looks more like very heavy canvas than what we think of as silk garments.

 

[willowfall]

Mind you the Chinese did use silk armour, there are some suits of it in the Victoria and Albert museum in London. It looks more like very heavy canvas than what we think of as silk garments.

And of course there was also Ancient cotton and linen armor.

I have sparred in jackets that have been multi-layered (12 layers) cotton that are surprisingly effective at preventing bruising. Recent experimental archaeology has indicted that the Greek linen armor was probably stiffened with glue so that it became rigid.

Even in the middle ages many less affluent warriors wore layered armor that might consist of something like a mail shit\brigantine as the outer layer, backed by a leather jerkin backed by a thick wool shirt (you see modern examples of this in the layered armor of an AFV).

And all that being said plate armor was remarkably light and maneuverable if incredibly expensive (you might spend a year's income for a 5%er on a good suit).

All that being said your best defense in a fight is distance and speed. You can wear all the plate armor you want but if I can get outside of your danger cone (an area generally demarked as 45 degrees on either side of your breast bone) I can take you down with some thing as primitive as a club.

Chain mail bikinis are very sexy and I have worn them to Renaissance Fairs and you can hear the boys necks snap as you walk past. But in a fight that still leaves my rib cage totally open. I suspect a pair of unrestrained bouncing boobs will get you more than the 1 second's distraction you need to get in your attack (and then for god's sake get out of there don't 'ta da').

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The 1st picture of the katana across her butt is like she is cleaning it after a successful kill and enjoys the cold steel and hot blood against her skin

 

[Leatherchain]

And of course there was also Ancient cotton and linen armor.

I have sparred in jackets that have been multi-layered (12 layers) cotton that are surprisingly effective at preventing bruising. Recent experimental archaeology has indicted that the Greek linen armor was probably stiffened with glue so that it became rigid.

Even in the middle ages many less affluent warriors wore layered armor that might consist of something like a mail shit\brigantine as the outer layer, backed by a leather jerkin backed by a thick wool shirt (you see modern examples of this in the layered armor of an AFV).

And all that being said plate armor was remarkably light and maneuverable if incredibly expensive (you might spend a year's income for a 5%er on a good suit).

All that being said your best defense in a fight is distance and speed. You can wear all the plate armor you want but if I can get outside of your danger cone (an area generally demarked as 45 degrees on either side of your breast bone) I can take you down with some thing as primitive as a club.

Chain mail bikinis are very sexy and I have worn them to Renaissance Fairs and you can hear the boys necks snap as you walk past. But in a fight that still leaves my rib cage totally open. I suspect a pair of unrestrained bouncing boobs will get you more than the 1 second's distraction you need to get in your attack (and then for god's sake get out of there don't 'ta da').

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willowfall

Actually, through most of history, primary defenses would be shield and some sort of gambeson (different styles and words through different cultures, all meaning some padded garment), hopefully covered in another armour, if you could afford it.

So, you know the lingo and say you have sparred...which tells me that you have done some sort of ancient/medieval fight training. Excellent! I'm curious. HEMA, SCA, historical re-enactment? I'd be interested in hearing your martial interests. I do primarily ancient (Iron Age Celtic style) single handed spear and shield, but have done many other styles, including longsword, staff, sidesword and buckler, shortsword and center-boss, dagger, bow, sling, javelin, and have recently been looking at bolognese sidesword and a bit of Italian/Spanish style rapier. Yeah. I'm all over the map.

It's really cool to find someone else with my non-kinky interests in this group.

While I love sexy women in skimpy outfits (nude is even better), the fantasy armour is always one that bugs me. Knowing what historically has worked and was common makes the suspension of disbelief harder to achieve. More so, since I actually train youth (both boys and girls) how to fight with swords. Seeing something unsafe just automatically kicks in my 'teacher/safety-mom' mode. "That's not safe! Where the hell is your gorget?"

 

[Gibbs505]

While I love sexy women in skimpy outfits (nude is even better), the fantasy armour is always one that bugs me. Knowing what historically has worked and was common makes the suspension of disbelief harder to achieve. More so, since I actually train youth (both boys and girls) how to fight with swords. Seeing something unsafe just automatically kicks in my 'teacher/safety-mom' mode. "That's not safe! Where the hell is your gorget?"

Yes I know what you mean. Even though I have only a basic knowledge of swords, I look at some of the creations and think, where was whoever made this coming from?
ps, I also like the nude thing!

 

[Leatherchain]

Funny story. Nearly 20 years ago, my wife and I attended a class on cutting (in the BDSM sense). The woman who was teaching was quite knowledgeable, and was just getting into the art and psychology of it. She had several blades, each of which I knew was sharper than a razor (much like my own leatherworking knives). She would talk as she was unpacking the blades, always looking at what she was doing.
Then, she pulled out a particular dagger, looked out at the crowd, gripped the blade with her palm and casually slid it quickly out of her hand. She never stopped talking, and most people didn't even notice. But myself (and two other people in the class) jumped and nearly vomited, when she did it. She took notice and smiled, and kept talking like nothing had happened. There was no blood. It was her one and only blunt, and she did it specifically to see who was familiar with blades.

That incident taught me a great deal about the psychology of the game, and of fear, especially that based on personal experience. Now, I'm that way with weapons and armour. Fantasy and movies are okay, but my mind always goes to actual injuries that I have seen or received, or weapons that I have used.

Also, I have also used that trick of substituting a blunt for a sharp during a scene, to great effect. It's amazing the kinds of reactions you get from someone when they think that they might ACTUALLY be in danger (even when they are not).

Oh, if you want to see some really cool, fun woman with a real sword kind of stuff, check out Bladesdancer on FB or Instagram. She is tiny but does full routines with a goddamned montante. I couldn't wield that monstrosity. Her sword is literally taller than she is.

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[willowfall]

So, you know the lingo and say you have sparred...which tells me that you have done some sort of ancient/medieval fight training. Excellent! I'm curious. HEMA, SCA, historical re-enactment? I'd be interested in hearing your martial interests. I do primarily ancient (Iron Age Celtic style) single handed spear and shield, but have done many other styles, including longsword, staff, sidesword and buckler, shortsword and center-boss, dagger, bow, sling, javelin, and have recently been looking at bolognese sidesword and a bit of Italian/Spanish style rapier. Yeah. I'm all over the map.

While I dabbled in SCA (for the most part HEMA is a joke) most of my studies have been in historical (Codex 133, Silver, Hope, that sort of thing) where the manuals still exist, so Middle Ages onward. The problem with before that is, of course, that the manuals aren't extant so the best we can do is experimental archaeology. Which gives some insight but could be totally wrong too.

I've studied a lot of weapons. I hate small sword and I find Italian side sword over engineered (like a ton of Renaissance things). The two swords I am best with are probably are Scottish basket hilt and any rapier but far and away I am best with a staff probably followed by a dagger. Pick any sword you want and give me a 7-8 foot staff and I'll hang your pelt on my wall. As far as technique is concerned I'm a two handed fighter and not a duelist.

In 2019 I got to attend the 9th Annual Malta Historical Fencing Symposium and am thinking about FISA in Milan next year.

My bow experience includes having been an SCA archery Marshall for a number of years.

Well I loaned my Montante to someone and he broke it off at the hilt, lol. I'm 5' 10" and have been an athlete all my life so I've never had any problems with even the big swords.

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[Leatherchain]

Goddamnit. I think I'm in love.

Totally agree with your assertions about Italian sidesword (though that doesn't keep me from being interested), and staff. I'll take my staff over a a sword any day of the week. Though, I am definitely a spearman at heart. It's such an overlooked weapon, today, which is so weird because it has been the standard for thousands of years.

Someone broke your montante?? I'm assuming that the body was properly disposed of.

 

[Gibbs505]

Goddamnit. I think I'm in love.

Totally agree with your assertions about Italian sidesword (though that doesn't keep me from being interested), and staff. I'll take my staff over a a sword any day of the week. Though, I am definitely a spearman at heart. It's such an overlooked weapon, today, which is so weird because it has been the standard for thousands of years.

Someone broke your montante?? I'm assuming that the body was properly disposed of.

No doubt that it was!

 

[willowfall]

Totally agree with your assertions about Italian sidesword (though that doesn't keep me from being interested), and staff. I'll take my staff over a a sword any day of the week. Though, I am definitely a spearman at heart. It's such an overlooked weapon, today, which is so weird because it has been the standard for thousands of years.

Someone broke your montante?? I'm assuming that the body was properly disposed of.

Well part of the Italian side sword's problem is that it is a weapon caught in transition. The early manuals are designed for your standard medieval broadsword and by the time the last manual is written you are holding an early rapier in your hand (just finished side sword and rotella). The other problem was that one of the false ideas that took hold during the Renaissance was that you could design the "perfect" system which would overcome chance, fate and human mistakes (you can't). A military example of this is fortresses design under the "Trace Italienne" methodology.

Definitely the pole arm (spear, pike, halberd, etc) was the primary and dominant weapon on the battlefield for several millennia, the notable exception being the Roman Legion of middle\late Republic thru about 250-300 CE. But even then the spear was issued and up to 1/3 of a mid-Republic Legion might be spear armed.

The sword has it's mystique because it takes a lot of training to use properly and it is more of a "warriors" weapon than a soldier's. That and Hollywood. But trained soldiers will always beat warriors in the end.

No, I had loaned it to a dear friend of mine and he was crestfallen when he broke it. His wife's comment was that he saved me the trouble of doing it (and if I was ever going to be the unicorn with a married couple they'd be it). Considering it broke under the hilt is had to be a defect in the metal not anything he did with it.

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