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whipmaster2

Magistrate
I share Windar's bemusement over your concerns about turning people off with these themes, whipmaster. He urges you read the stories. I urge you to look at the artwork.

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Thanks so much, Apostate! I do look at the artwork, and am more troubled than turned on by it. Therein lies my conflict. Because my take on the story is that none of my protags are in any way willing--whereas I read posts from people who seem to dream of being crucified and made victims, and I have trouble understanding that. Again, I am not sitting here judging or condemning what people do in the privacy of their own minds. I'm just not sure how it would be received. For that matter, I'm not even sure where to post it. But the generally encouraging responses are pushing my mind and preconceptions out of shape.
 

whipmaster2

Magistrate
Thank you, eerybody, for your encouragement and enthusiasm. It occurs to me that I am writing about heroes and heroines who not only do not want to be subs, they fight to get away from thei situation. And once they've escaped, they do everything they can to bring down the oppressors. This my focus isn't about providing sexual thrills to the reader. I want the reader to come away impressed with characters and courage. There is nothing admirable, nothing to be emulated about my bad guys. And again, I'm not making any derogatory comments about anyone here.
 

whipmaster2

Magistrate
That would describe a good 90% of the stories here. Certainly just about all of mine.

I have to ask in all seriousness have you READ any of the stories here? I fear you are judging the audience without having done so. And you are asking us to commit to liking your stories without having read them. I don't see how that's possible.

Let me quote from one of the masterworks of 20th century literature:

"You do not like them. So you say.
Try them! Try them! And you may.
Try them and you may, I say."
You cut me for the quick, Windar, which you challenge to me to read some of the stories here. And you've encouraged and inspired me to take you up on it. (Brother, does anyone else have the trouble I'm having with the auto-correct on this software? I'm using an Amazon Fire tablet to write here, and it keeps changing my words while dropping others. ##$$$!!
 

whipmaster2

Magistrate
You cut me for the quick, Windar, which you challenge to me to read some of the stories here. And you've encouraged and inspired me to take you up on it. (Brother, does anyone else have the trouble I'm having with the auto-correct on this software? I'm using an Amazon Fire tablet to write here, and it keeps changing my words while dropping others. ##$$$!!
I wrote "when you challenge," not "which you challenge."
 

whipmaster2

Magistrate
@Praefectus Praetorio ...I'm with you on that..... :)
My experience in 17 months posting here is that most stories here have unwilling victims. And most are well received (even when not deserving it - thinking of some of mine). However, there is always someone here ready to object to something. I fully understand fear of rejection. I am terrified when I start posting a new story and I'm a slut for praise. I don't like the concept of someone being hounded out for a story others don't like, but it is impossible to promise to support a work before it is seen.

But, you must make your own choice. Take a chance and post or don't. I can't help you make that decision. This is just a forum of anonymous people who share a liking for some of what is posted here and enjoy discussing it. You decide whether to jump in the pond or go home.



"I do not like green eggs and ham. I do not like them, Sam-I-Am"
Thank you, Praefectus. I'm talking to a lot of folks here who have encouraged me to take a chance, and I'm starting to think I will.
 

old slave

FELIS RESPICIENS
encouraged me to take a chance, and I'm starting to think I will.


For that matter, I'm not even sure where to post it.

Mainly Poems and Stories in BDSM Forum seems ideal for posting. A little bit of crux creeps in accidently, but the focus is non-crux which seems to be your theme.

And don't worry about details like whether there is much/any torture or much/any killing, a concept that includes an oppressed population (ie women) and a dominant one (ie barbarians) is sure to attract an audience.

You have the distinct advantage that your native language is English, and most of us this side of the Pond will understand your corrupt version of it. A lot of us plough through some pretty dire English from some authors in order to extract the nuggets of joy from their stories, such is the nature of CF readership.

Finally, glancing at your age, you will join a very friendly group of old farts who will encourage and help in any way you desire.
 

Eulalia

Poet Laureate
Staff member
Thanks for the kind words, Eulalia! My hesitation about posting my stories here has to do with dread of rejection. I am writing about abuse that is perpetrated on completely UNWILLING people. I've already seen posts calling certain actresses "feminazis" for demanding respectful treatment, and I find myself unwilling to criticize the actresses for that. I'm not sitting in judgment of others on this board; it's just that I don't share their sensibilities. I think that more people here would dislike my stuff than would like it. An editor I've worked with (female) said my novel made her think of the Gor books by John Norman. (Google him if you're not familiar with him.) I'm not trying to write porn, I'm trying to make a statement about a significant social problem. But I've gone on too long here. I would enjoy your thoughts, however; I consider you a genuinely wise and same person.
That's reassuring, and I'm grateful for the compliment - I think your autocorrect has turned me from 'sane' to 'same',
but I'd settle for (trying to be) a wise and crazy person :D

Indeed I'm familiar with John Norman's Gor novels - as I'm sure are most of the folk active here, and if your novel reminds your editor of those, it certainly won't be out of place here. I think the general consensus is that Norman's scenario with its planet of hunky male warriors and sexy slavegirls is an enjoyable, erotically exciting one, the book-covers (especially those by Boris Vallejo) are splendid pieces of soft-porn fantasy, but the novels themselves, especially the later ones, are clunky and not really up to the standard of the best writing we've had here. So if (as I guess) your editor was comparing your work with the themes and scenes of the Gor novels, rather than the prose style, you should consider it an encouragement.

Of course, the fantasies we explore here in writing and artwork are likely to be troubling to a good many people, profoundly wrong and bad to some, and we sometimes debate the ethical and psychological questions arising, but - again, giving what I think is the typical view of the majority of active members here - we believe that being honest with ourselves and exploring our 'dark' side is helpful to ourselves and each other, and that - far from encouraging us to act out our evil thoughts in real life, it actually makes us better, gentler people. Certainly the many friends I've made here seem to me to be thoroughly good, kind folk - much more so than many of the self-righteous, politically correct preachers of morality I encounter elsewhere.
 

twonines

Senator
That's reassuring, and I'm grateful for the compliment - I think your autocorrect has turned me from 'sane' to 'same',
but I'd settle for (trying to be) a wise and crazy person :D

Indeed I'm familiar with John Norman's Gor novels - as I'm sure are most of the folk active here, and if your novel reminds your editor of those, it certainly won't be out of place here. I think the general consensus is that Norman's scenario with its planet of hunky male warriors and sexy slavegirls is an enjoyable, erotically exciting one, the book-covers (especially those by Boris Vallejo) are splendid pieces of soft-porn fantasy, but the novels themselves, especially the later ones, are clunky and not really up to the standard of the best writing we've had here. So if (as I guess) your editor was comparing your work with the themes and scenes of the Gor novels, rather than the prose style, you should consider it an encouragement.

Of course, the fantasies we explore here in writing and artwork are likely to be troubling to a good many people, profoundly wrong and bad to some, and we sometimes debate the ethical and psychological questions arising, but - again, giving what I think is the typical view of the majority of active members here - we believe that being honest with ourselves and exploring our 'dark' side is helpful to ourselves and each other, and that - far from encouraging us to act out our evil thoughts in real life, it actually makes us better, gentler people. Certainly the many friends I've made here seem to me to be thoroughly good, kind folk - much more so than many of the self-righteous, politically correct preachers of morality I encounter elsewhere.
That`s an almost perfect summation, for most of us, this is a place where we can express and explore our fantasies at a level which we are never likely to have either the desire or opportunity to fulfill.
 
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