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Praefectus Praetorio

Brother of the Quill
I spent an hour trying to figure what it was. They my father, excellent at Latin was stumped, got out his Cassells and got nowhere.
After two hours, the realization that it right before your face. There was a tiny asterisk. At the bottom of the page in fine print (Barbara would never have found it) it said "Picus Nicus, means picnic. A word we made up just for you"

I think that experience poisoned my classical language future forever!
 

Frank Petrexa

Governor
I spent an hour trying to figure what it was. They my father, excellent at Latin was stumped, got out his Cassells and got nowhere.
After two hours, the realization that it right before your face. There was a tiny asterisk. At the bottom of the page in fine print (Barbara would never have found it) it said "Picus Nicus, means picnic. A word we made up just for you"

I think that experience poisoned my classical language future forever!
You should have called the Vatican. I'm sure they'd be glad to get an inquiry that doesn't involve the priest scandals.
 

Praefectus Praetorio

Brother of the Quill
Old Slave should be banned or at least have demerits!!!!
Staff!!! --- SEE!!! ---Using a 16-year-old on forum for his own pleasure
 

cruxlover

Tribune
""I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken." - Oliver Cromwell"

This could well apply to several recent court cases or the God-Almighty Brexit cock-up.

Actually, FYI, I do not dislike this thread, I just disliked learning Latin, especially from an Irish eejit who could not wait to begged (no doubt on bended knee) by Nehru et al to return to his "Rightfull Place" (what ever that was) as a great white Sahib.
I could not see it happening even as a callow 15 year old, and now an Indian company, Tata, is running "British" Steel and Jaguar Landrover too, for good measure .
 

Frank Petrexa

Governor
""I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken." - Oliver Cromwell"

This could well apply to several recent court cases or the God-Almighty Brexit cock-up.

Actually, FYI, I do not dislike this thread, I just disliked learning Latin, especially from an Irish eejit who could not wait to begged (no doubt on bended knee) by Nehru et al to return to his "Rightfull Place" (what ever that was) as a great white Sahib.
I could not see it happening even as a callow 15 year old, and now an Indian company, Tata, is running "British" Steel and Jaguar Landrover too, for good measure .

The current American Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross, architect of the steel and aluminum "national security" tariffs, is a "financier" who bought a lot of troubled American steel companies, voided the union contracts, and cut staff ("he saves your life but you lose your leg", one union leader said). He invested in modernization of the plants. OK, so far no argument. But then he sold the whole thing to Arcelor Mittal. Apparently the problem is not that you can't make money on "first world" steel (and I accept that dumping has occurred and should be countered), you just can't make ENOUGH. You need high returns every year or the investors in your fund excoriate you. But Indian owners apparently have no problem with just making money--they're in business, not "investing". Maybe this is a little appreciated difficulty that protectionism won't solve--people in the West don't save enough so that there is enough capital to run businesses as well as generate "investing returns".
Ford owned Volvo for some time--didn't put a lot of money into it. It was finally sold to China's Geeley, and is now thriving.
 

Praefectus Praetorio

Brother of the Quill
The season and Latin

Veni, veni Emmanuel!
Captivum solve Israel!
Qui gemit in exilio,
Privatus Dei Filio,
Gaude, gaude, Emmanuel
nascetur pro te, Israel.

Veni o Jesse virgula!
Ex hostis tuos ungula,
De specu tuos tartari
Educ, et antro barathri.
Gaude, gaude, Emmanuel
nascetur pro te, Israel.

Veni, veni o oriens!
Solare nos adveniens,
Noctis depelle nebulas,
Dirasque noctis tenebras.
Gaude, gaude, Emmanuel
nascetur pro te, Israel. [5]

Veni clavis Davidica!
Regna reclude coelica,
Fac iter Tutum superum,
Et claude vias Inferum.
Gaude, gaude, Emmanuel
nascetur pro te, Israel.

Veni, veni Adonai![16]
Qui populo in Sinai
Legem dedisti vertice,
In maiestate gloriae.
Gaude, gaude, Emmanuel
nascetur pro te, Israel.

Veni, O Sapientia,
Quae hic disponis omnia,
Veni, viam prudentiae
Ut doceas et gloriae.

Veni, Veni, Rex Gentium,
Veni, Redemptor omnium,
Ut salves tuos famulos
Peccati sibi conscios.
 

Praefectus Praetorio

Brother of the Quill
You're quite right, Classical Latin represents only a 'slice' through the history of the language, though it was indeed regarded as 'standard' for several centuries, and was resurrected as such in the renaissance. While Classical Latin is what I was lucky to learn at school, at university and since I've specialised in historical linguistics, including medieval Latin. We can trace the development of the language, the ways it changed into proto-Romance and eventually emerged as Italian, Spanish, Portuguese etc. provide evidence for the vernacular dialects, along with a surprising amount of 'non-prestige' written evidence like graffiti, private letters, notes on wax tablets, etc. Historical linguistics, tracing and reconstructing earlier stages of languages, is just as scientific a discipline as evolutionary biology, tracing and reconstructing earlier forms of organisms.

Incidentally, Latin 'lacked punctuation' too, it was mainly written in scriptio continua without even spaces between words, as writing materials were costly. Punctuation as we know it developed mainly as Latin came to be read and (especially) chanted in the church, especially by monks etc. who weren't used to speaking the language. Compare the marks used to guide readers of the Torah and the Quran even today.
I asked my 11th grade Latin teacher (a brilliant PhD.) whether the Classical Latin we studied was really spoken by the people. He replied that graffiti showed not. He continued, "Cicero's grammar was not always followed by the average schmuck sweeping up the horse dung on the Appian Way!"
 
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