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I like her a lot - and her little dress. But I've a nasty feeling if she were me,
I'd know the carpentry was going do be performed on me.

Is that why she looks a little downcast?

A couple from my archive 2007.
pinned on her cross 2.jpgFirst is always the hardest-Bridgette.jpg

And here's a link to that clip from Snuff Movie. 5 minutes, 90 meg, it includes stripping, whipping, carrying her naked body, nailing, raising and hanging on the cross.
http://www.filedropper.com/snuffmovie2005-2dvdpal
 
Alas, still no lady carpenters?

Hi Erika, I have asked myself this question, too.
I was wondering if the romans had women asigned to the teams handling the crucifictions.
It's hard to tell or proof today, but sure not impossible.
Just look at the fact that for such a long time period, it was considered "impossible" that women were
crucified by the romans.
We understand now, they had to go through the same code of practice like the condemned men did.
Most likely women were whipped, had to carry the crossbeam, were crucified naked for their
wrongdoing just like men.
It is very well possible, that women have been taking part in the whipping, nailing and raising of the condemned.
Why not, it would add another aspect to the execution.
 
Hi Erika, I have asked myself this question, too.
I was wondering if the romans had women asigned to the teams handling the crucifictions.
It's hard to tell or proof today, but sure not impossible.
Just look at the fact that for such a long time period, it was considered "impossible" that women were
crucified by the romans.
We understand now, they had to go through the same code of practice like the condemned men did.
Most likely women were whipped, had to carry the crossbeam, were crucified naked for their
wrongdoing just like men.
It is very well possible, that women have been taking part in the whipping, nailing and raising of the condemned.
Why not, it would add another aspect to the execution.
Oh splendid Cire dear!
 
I'm new to this site. I think this is a very good site. Everyone is so helpful here love seeing everyone's story's and art pics. That said I wonder if anyone has done those 3d woman Crux pics and more importantly if they did the 3d crux nailing scenes where the woman is being nailed to the cross. I see alot of the nice woman crucified pics here showing them up on the cross after there raised. But having trouble finding the actual nailing down scenes. I think that's the best part. I believe it's even more beautiful and expressive if another woman is doing the nailing. But either way having trouble finding the nailing to the cross pics on here.

The nailing is actually a very complex and complicated procedure.
Roman executioners probably were very creative, crucifying folks.
Myself, I don't reduce the attaching of the victim to nails.
Ropes are very possible, ropes and nails are doing the job, and of course just nails.
But let's not forget what the "nailing" does to the victim, and how very well planned it must have been.
The crucified had to stay for a long time up on that cross, despite all the writhing and twisting while still living.
After the cross has killed the victim, the dead would stay on the cross until there is just the skeleton left, to horrify onlookers.
The nails had to be placed very sophisticated (if used exclusively), to keep the excecuted firmly to the cross.
If the completely assembled cross was raised with the victim, he/she might needed additional support up there, and it took at least 4 - 5 people to do the job, I think.
To strip and lay down the condemned onto the cross and place a sedile or some type of seat to allow movement only to the desired point,
takes a lot of skills.

Let's say to produce a realistic nailing scene, may it be for pics or film is a huge task.

When the nailing took place, the spectators where most likely not able to see that much.
This was only visible for the victim and the torturers.
Arms, feet, legs, head and body had to be held in place very tight.
Hard to tell if the executioners allowed the victim to monitor the nailing, they sure didn't want the
condemned to bang her/his head against the stipes and faint.
For instance, it could be a good idea to tie the nailed victim around the belly to the sipes, in that way it's not possible to move out too far and the crucified is secured.
No matter what, the victims were stripped in public by just complete strangers, I assume most of them
knew what would happen to them, but not excatly how.
It must have been more than shocking, getting this done to you and then all of a sudden
being raised for display. These feelings of the condemned are way beyond anything I can imagine.
 
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And quite po55sibly, Patrician Roman ladies would enjoy such tasks, wouldn't they?

Since I'm a man, I can't answer that question.

It's a good chance to check around if the girls would enjoy or can imagine working for such a team,
that has been humiliating, whipping and crucifying the condemned.
And how they had handled the issue.
I mean physically and mentally.
Really profound. Go for it.
 
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Hi Erika, I have asked myself this question, too.
I was wondering if the romans had women asigned to the teams handling the crucifictions.
It's hard to tell or proof today, but sure not impossible.
Just look at the fact that for such a long time period, it was considered "impossible" that women were
crucified by the romans.
We understand now, they had to go through the same code of practice like the condemned men did.
Most likely women were whipped, had to carry the crossbeam, were crucified naked for their
wrongdoing just like men.
It is very well possible, that women have been taking part in the whipping, nailing and raising of the condemned.
Why not, it would add another aspect to the execution.

There certainly were female gladiators. I don't see why there couldn't be female executioners--gladiatrices were after all more or less contractors, and the army didn't carry out all executions.
 
There certainly were female gladiators. I don't see why there couldn't be female executioners--gladiatrices were after all more or less contractors, and the army didn't carry out all executions.
It must be noted that female gladiators were rather few, but I guess the condemned could've been dispatched by a woman's sword in the arena from time to time, just to add some variety.

It appears that contract executioners were drawn from among libitinarii (undertakers), not really a female profession in Ancient Rome. Although -- who knows -- they could've had a professional mourner or two roped in to assist when short-handed.
 
I so agree! Hooray for female carpenters

Nailing the wrists (how I would look at it):

I have never thought about the nailing that much. To me it's just one of the many steps that it takes
to crucify a person. No matter who is doing the nailing, may it be a woman or a man, has to be very determined.
Very sure that sexual preferences couldn't play a role. Wether you had to kill a hairy guy or a slender girl couldn't play any role.
Your victim is lead to the cross and you may have to tear the clothes off of her/his bleeding body,
while these eyes are resting on you and what you are doing.
Now the naked person is forced in place on the cross.
You take the hammer and a nail and search for the right spot in the wrist of the victim.
When you are sure that you will not harm major arteries and you can feel the point where the nail has
to go through you place the tip right into that spot.
At this time the victim may be shivering and sweating full of fear, maybe screaming for mercy, depending of
what she/he was condemned for (masses of crucified must have been innocent).
But you can't think about it. You are pushing the tip slightly into the flesh, checking the condemned and your
team to be sure that you can hit the first time.
Yes you are kneeling in front of the wrist the right way, everything fits. You put the heavy hammer on top of
the huge nail, your left fist holding it in it's place. The wrist is dirty, bloody and sweaty already and you can recognize that the tip went through the skin already. If it's your first time you are maybe shocked that you can feel the shivering body, making contact with your left fist.
The victim gasping for air and you can smell the blood and the sweat.
You hold the nail tighter, raise the hammer and hit the huge nail head moderately hard with total concentration, to make it slip throug the wrist slightly into the crossbeam.
The sreams are not of any interest in that moment. It's time to tighten the muscles in your body and to give the nail a good blow.
Your has prepared the crossbeam with little holes that will lead the nail into the wood, but still it's stressfull.
Blow by blow you are driving the first nail into the wood. Sweat runs down your spine before the first nail is holding your victims wrist tight to the wood.
Getting up, stepping over the victims upper body, kneeling down, you know you have to repeat what you did before, even though your arm is
hurting by now.
 
It must be noted that female gladiators were rather few, but I guess the condemned could've been dispatched by a woman's sword in the arena from time to time, just to add some variety.

It appears that contract executioners were drawn from among libitinarii (undertakers), not really a female profession in Ancient Rome. Although -- who knows -- they could've had a professional mourner or two roped in to assist when short-handed.
Female gladiators (gladiatrices?) using archery...
 
Nailing the feet (just one of many ways):

Now that the second wrist is fixed and everything seems to work out fine, your team can release at least the arms, but still has to press the victim's upper body onto to the wood. The legs are stretched and the feet are placed on a loose sedile. Now the team is sliding the sedile about 30cm up the stipes and is bending the victims knees.
It's your turn now to nail the sedile to the stipes.
Many hands are holding the feet and the sedile in place, a soldier is supporting the head of the victim up, to prevent her/him from injuring her/himself.
Again you take a look at your victim standing in front of the cross, all that horror shows in these eyes.
You can't think about the victims screams and the roar in the audience, while you proceed.
While you wipe the sweat off of your forehead, you kneel down aside from the placed feet.
Advising the team to hold the feet side by side to the stipes, you place the nail between the bone of the second and third toe and drive it through the foot.
Taking a close look at the result, you lift the foot to check if the nail is coming out of the desired spot. You put the foot on the ground and drive the nail just a little more through the flesh.
After advising your team to place the unnailed foot into the center of the stipes, the nailed foot has to be grabbed by you and placed with the nail's tip in the perfect spot.
Pushing the nailed foot into place allows the tip now to sink into the unnailed, you have total control where your victims base foot will be pierced.
Moving the base foot a little to the side, guarantees that the nail will make it into the solid wood.
By now the team mates are laughing and having fun with your actions, and are cursing at the condemned on the wood, to not move that much.
Kneeling down left from the victim, since being right handed, you grab the nail tightly that is sticking out of the foot. Again you place the hammer on the head, raise it, and drive the nail through the flesh. Just a little into the stipes.
But you can't let go yet, your hands are bloody and sticky, you inhale. nOnce more tighten your muscles and hit the nail under the screams of your victim.
You know you must have the insanity to kill and hit the nail again and again, until just a little of the shaft is still sticking out of the top foot.
Getting up, you take a glance at the shaking body, that you have just destroyed.
 
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Nailing the wrists (how I would look at it):

I have never thought about the nailing that much. To me it's just one of the many steps that it takes
to crucify a person. No matter who is doing the nailing, may it be a woman or a man, has to be very determined.
Very sure that sexual preferences couldn't play a role. Wether you had to kill a hairy guy or a slender girl couldn't play any role.
Your victim is lead to the cross and you may have to tear the clothes off of her/his bleeding body,
while these eyes are resting on you and what you are doing.
Now the naked person is forced in place on the cross.
You take the hammer and a nail and search for the right spot in the wrist of the victim.
When you are sure that you will not harm major arteries and you can feel the point where the nail has
to go through you place the tip right into that spot.
At this time the victim may be shivering and sweating full of fear, maybe screaming for mercy, depending of
what she/he was condemned for (masses of crucified must have been innocent).
But you can't think about it. You are pushing the tip slightly into the flesh, checking the condemned and your
team to be sure that you can hit the first time.
Yes you are kneeling in front of the wrist the right way, everything fits. You put the heavy hammer on top of
the huge nail, your left fist holding it in it's place. The wrist is dirty, bloody and sweaty already and you can recognize that the tip went through the skin already. If it's your first time you are maybe shocked that you can feel the shivering body, making contact with your left fist.
The victim gasping for air and you can smell the blood and the sweat.
You hold the nail tighter, raise the hammer and hit the huge nail head moderately hard with total concentration, to make it slip throug the wrist slightly into the crossbeam.
The sreams are not of any interest in that moment. It's time to tighten the muscles in your body and to give the nail a good blow.
Your has prepared the crossbeam with little holes that will lead the nail into the wood, but still it's stressfull.
Blow by blow you are driving the first nail into the wood. Sweat runs down your spine before the first nail is holding your victims wrist tight to the wood.
Getting up, stepping over the victims upper body, kneeling down, you know you have to repeat what you did before, even though your arm is
hurting by now.
What a brilliant description!
 
Nailing the feet (just one of many ways):

Now that the second wrist is fixed and everything seems to work out fine, your team can release at least the arms, but still has to press the victim's upper body onto to the wood. The legs are stretched and the feet are placed on a loose sedile. Now the team is sliding the sedile about 30cm up the stipes and is bending the victims knees.
It's your turn now to nail the sedile to the stipes.
Many hands are holding the feet and the sedile in place, a soldier is supporting the head of the victim up, to prevent her/him from injuring her/himself.
Again you take a look at your victim standing in front of the cross, all that horror shows in these eyes.
You can't think about the victims screams and the roar in the audience, while you proceed.
While you wipe the sweat off of your forehead, you kneel down aside from the placed feet.
Advising the team to hold the feet side by side to the stipes, you place the nail between the bone of the second and third toe and drive it through the foot.
Taking a close look at the result, you lift the foot to check if the nail is coming out of the desired spot. You put the foot on the ground and drive the nail just a little more through the flesh.
After advising your team to place the unnailed foot into the center of the stipes, the nailed foot has to be grabbed by you and placed with the nail's tip in the perfect spot.
Pushing the nailed foot into place allows the tip now to sink into the unnailed, you have total control where your victims base foot will be pierced.
Moving the base foot a little to the side, guarantees that the nail will make it into the solid wood.
By now the team mates are laughing and having fun with your actions, and are cursing at the condemned on the wood, to not move that much.
Kneeling down left from the victim, since being right handed, you grab the nail tightly that is sticking out of the foot. Again you place the hammer on the head, raise it, and drive the nail through the flesh. Just a little into the stipes.
But you can't let go yet, your hands are bloody and sticky, you inhale. nOnce more tighten your muscles and hit the nail under the screams of your victim.
You know you must have the insanity to kill and hit the nail again and again, until just a little of the shaft is still sticking out of the top foot.
Getting up, you take a glance at the shaking body, that you have just destroyed.
A little request for the future Cire. Please press the Enter-Caps only for a new paragraph and not at the end of a row. That destroy the text formating.
 
That could've worked, even if the Romans were errr chary of arena archery -- for obvious reasons.

Gladiatrix is not attested in Classical Latin, so I prefer 'female gladiator'. What is to my knowledge the sole mention of them in an official context goes mulieres [a]d ferrum, literally 'women for the sword'.


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La Gladiatrice.
La piccola statua di bronzo è tenuta nel Museum für Kunst und Gewerbein di Amburgo, in Germania.
 
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That could've worked, even if the Romans were errr chary of arena archery -- for obvious reasons.

Gladiatrix is not attested in Classical Latin, so I prefer 'female gladiator'. What is to my knowledge the sole mention of them in an official context goes mulieres [a]d ferrum, literally 'women for the sword'.
There have been speculative reports in the British press about skeletons of very large and powerful women who just might have been gladiators being found at two Roman sites - one in London, the other in Herefordshire - this is a fairly balanced account:

http://www.ancienthistoryarchaeology.com/female-gladiators-in-the-arc
 
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