Odds And Ends And Anything You Fancy

[Debradungeongirl]

Bear with me, I am not a lawyer, legal scriptures go far above my head. But you may be pleasantly surprised that in the USA you can force a male prisoner to strip and to masturbate for your enjoyment and that it goes without repercussions. See: BOXER X v. HARRIS | 437 F.3d 1107 | 11th Cir. | Judgment | Law | CaseMine

Interesting and thanks for your feedback.

 

[Praefectus Praetorio]

What if the Panama Canal was Scottish?

What if Scotland had remained independent? No need for Scotxit

 

[Eulalia]

It's an interesting fact that one man, Sir William Paterson, was arguably the prime mover in three initiatives with huge consequences - establishing The Bank of England, launching the disastrous Darien Scheme, and advocating and framing the Acts of Union. History is never simple, and Scottish history riddled with such contradictions - the 'Caledonian antisyzygy' (union of opposites)

Sir William Paterson: Biography on Undiscovered Scotland

Biography of the founder of the Bank of England, and Darien, Sir William Paterson on Undiscovered Scotland.

www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk

 

[Praefectus Praetorio]

Instead of Panama, take a warm and sunny cruise to the Shetlands!

 

[Eulalia]

Well, when I did that trip, there was a heatwave. At least, there was one in Scotland and all the rest of Britain when I left. And still a heatwave when I came back a fortnight later. After two weeks of rain in Shetland

 

[Apostate]

Well, when I did that trip, there was a heatwave. At least, there was one in Scotland and all the rest of Britain when I left. And still a heatwave when I came back a fortnight later. After two weeks of rain in Shetland

Eulalia, morbid curiosity here. What temperatures constitute a heat wave in Scotland?

 

[Eulalia]

Eulalia, morbid curiosity here. What temperatures constitute a heat wave in Scotland?

I'd say mid to upper 70s F, > 23 C. It's not unusual, especially on the east side, but it doesn't often stay hot for many days.
Tends to be cooler in summer and milder in winter on the west, and on the isles - wet and windy too, of course.

People generally don't realise how far north Shetland is - the isles are nearly always put in a box on maps, somewhere off Peterhead - though the Scottish Parliament has enacted a requirement that Shetland be shown in its proper place in future, which is closer to Bergen in Norway than to Edinburgh, never mind London.

 

[Ovid]

And now for something completely different: who is inspired by whom?
(my own thoughts, not scientifically based)

The majority will probably agree that Romeo and Juliet (early modern English: The Most Excellent and Lamentable Tragedy of Romeo and Juliet) is a drama by William Shakespeare.

The work was probably written in 1594-96. It first appeared in print in 1597. Shakespeare's main source was Arthur Brooke's The Tragicall Historye of Romeus and Iuliet from 1562. Romeo and Juliet are considered the most famous lovers in world literature. The material has been adapted in many musical and literary variants, there are numerous film adaptations, and the work has enjoyed unbroken popularity on the stage since its creation.

One author who was inspired by the Romeo and Juliet theme was J.R.R. Tolkien. His tragic lovers are called Beren and Lúthien, which he portrays magnificently in his (unfinished) Lay of Leithian.

Already in my school days I encountered a much older tragic couple of lovers: Pyramus and Thisbe.

The saga of Pyramus and Thisbe was widely known in antiquity and is mentioned several times in extant works. The earliest and most detailed account is found in Ovid's epic of transformation sagas entitled Metamorphoses (probably published in 8 AD). His account culminates, as is the intention of this work, in a transformation: the fruits of the mulberry tree are since then no longer white, but blood-red.

I still know the first verse by heart today (yes, it's a hexameter):

Pyramus et Thisbe, iuvenum pulcherrimus alter,
altera, quas oriens habuit, praelata puellis,
contiguas tenuere domos, ubi dicitur altam
coctilibus muris cinxisse Semiramis urbem.

The Romans express themselves a little like Master Yoda. Therefore, one must always adapt the literal translation a little without departing too much from the original:

Pyramus and Thisbe, he the most beautiful youth,
she, outstanding among the girls that the Orient possessed,
inhabited adjacent houses, where Semiramis is said
to have surrounded the high city with a wall of bricks.

Then it goes like this:

Acquaintance and first steps of love brought about the neighborhood: over time, love grew.
They would also have married legally, but the fathers forbade it.
What they could not forbid: both burned equally after their sense of love was captured.
There are no confidants. They communicate by nods and signs, and the more it is covered, the more the fire blazes.
The wall common to the two houses was split by a crack that it had once received when it was built.
This damage, which for long centuries had not been noticed by anyone - what does love not notice? - you lovers were the first to see, and made it a path for your voice;
and surely the flattery used to pass through it in the form of the softest murmurings.
Often, as soon as they stood there, here Thisbe, there Pyramus, and mutually the breath of the mouth had been caught, they said:
"Envious wall, what do you hinder the lovers ? What would be in it if we could join with whole body or if that is too much, you stand open so that we can kiss.
But we are not ungrateful: we confess that it is thanks to You that our words are given a passage to the ears of the beloved.

(to be continued, if I'm not banned because of spread of boredom)

 

[Jollyrei]

(to be continued, if I'm not banned because of spread of boredom)

Exactly how boring are you? Because if you had excerpts that would be fine, but perhaps leave a reprint of the entire epic aside and just post a link.

Death and sex scenes are great favorites here.

 

[Ovid]

Exactly how boring are you? Because if you had excerpts that would be fine, but perhaps leave a reprint of the entire epic aside and just post a link.

Death and sex scenes are great favorites here.

There are actually death scenes. But sex does not happen at all. It's just a tragic love story.
Most translations are adapted to modern language, which leads far away from the original (what I don't like). Here is a usable translation (not my work, author at the end):

 

[Jollyrei]

There are actually death scenes. But sex does not happen at all. It's just a tragic love story.
Most translations are adapted to modern language, which leads far away from the original (what I don't like). Here is a usable translation (not my work, author at the end):

The bard himself referenced Pyrramus and Thysbe in "A Midsummer Night's Dream" - it was the play that gets completely butchered by the village amateur players at the prince's wedding. One does wonder if Shakespeare thought much of it.

 

[Praefectus Praetorio]

Posted without comment

Man who fathered 94 children with 39 wives dies in India, NBC News reports

A man thought to have been the head of the world's largest family — with 39 wives and 94 children, according to Reuters — has died in northeast India, according to officials.

www.click2houston.com

 

[Darkprincess69]

I'd say mid to upper 70s F, > 23 C. It's not unusual, especially on the east side, but it doesn't often stay hot for many days.
Tends to be cooler in summer and milder in winter on the west, and on the isles - wet and windy too, of course.

It's often said that a typical British summer is three hot days followed by a thunderstorm

 

[Darkprincess69]

Posted without comment

Man who fathered 94 children with 39 wives dies in India, NBC News reports

A man thought to have been the head of the world's largest family — with 39 wives and 94 children, according to Reuters — has died in northeast India, according to officials.

www.click2houston.com

So properly adhering to the traditional 2.4 children then
(94/39=2.41)

 

[Eulalia]

And now for something completely different: who is inspired by whom?
(my own thoughts, not scientifically based)

The majority will probably agree that Romeo and Juliet (early modern English: The Most Excellent and Lamentable Tragedy of Romeo and Juliet) is a drama by William Shakespeare.

The work was probably written in 1594-96. It first appeared in print in 1597. Shakespeare's main source was Arthur Brooke's The Tragicall Historye of Romeus and Iuliet from 1562. Romeo and Juliet are considered the most famous lovers in world literature. The material has been adapted in many musical and literary variants, there are numerous film adaptations, and the work has enjoyed unbroken popularity on the stage since its creation.

One author who was inspired by the Romeo and Juliet theme was J.R.R. Tolkien. His tragic lovers are called Beren and Lúthien, which he portrays magnificently in his (unfinished) Lay of Leithian.

Already in my school days I encountered a much older tragic couple of lovers: Pyramus and Thisbe.

The saga of Pyramus and Thisbe was widely known in antiquity and is mentioned several times in extant works. The earliest and most detailed account is found in Ovid's epic of transformation sagas entitled Metamorphoses (probably published in 8 AD). His account culminates, as is the intention of this work, in a transformation: the fruits of the mulberry tree are since then no longer white, but blood-red.

I still know the first verse by heart today (yes, it's a hexameter):

Pyramus et Thisbe, iuvenum pulcherrimus alter,
altera, quas oriens habuit, praelata puellis,
contiguas tenuere domos, ubi dicitur altam
coctilibus muris cinxisse Semiramis urbem.

The Romans express themselves a little like Master Yoda. Therefore, one must always adapt the literal translation a little without departing too much from the original:

Pyramus and Thisbe, he the most beautiful youth,
she, outstanding among the girls that the Orient possessed,
inhabited adjacent houses, where Semiramis is said
to have surrounded the high city with a wall of bricks.

Then it goes like this:

Acquaintance and first steps of love brought about the neighborhood: over time, love grew.
They would also have married legally, but the fathers forbade it.
What they could not forbid: both burned equally after their sense of love was captured.
There are no confidants. They communicate by nods and signs, and the more it is covered, the more the fire blazes.
The wall common to the two houses was split by a crack that it had once received when it was built.
This damage, which for long centuries had not been noticed by anyone - what does love not notice? - you lovers were the first to see, and made it a path for your voice;
and surely the flattery used to pass through it in the form of the softest murmurings.
Often, as soon as they stood there, here Thisbe, there Pyramus, and mutually the breath of the mouth had been caught, they said:
"Envious wall, what do you hinder the lovers ? What would be in it if we could join with whole body or if that is too much, you stand open so that we can kiss.
But we are not ungrateful: we confess that it is thanks to You that our words are given a passage to the ears of the beloved.

(to be continued, if I'm not banned because of spread of boredom)

Well, I'd enjoy reading your version - and we do call this thread 'Odds and Ends and anything you fancy', so, As You Like It!

There are actually death scenes. But sex does not happen at all. It's just a tragic love story.
Most translations are adapted to modern language, which leads far away from the original (what I don't like). Here is a usable translation (not my work, author at the end):

I like that Rolfe Humphries translation, I feel it preserves the character and flow of Ovid's hexameters, without being slavishly imitative. David Raeburn's version (Penguin Classics) is comparable, but I think rather more awkward. But I do like Ted Hughes's - further from the sound of the original, but as ever he finds good sturdy, familiar English words to tell the tale in a stark, straightforward way.

 

[Ovid]

Well, I'd enjoy reading your version - and we do call this thread 'Odds and Ends and anything you fancy', so, As You Like It!


I like that Rolfe Humphries translation, I feel it preserves the character and flow of Ovid's hexameters, without being slavishly imitative. David Raeburn's version (Penguin Classics) is comparable, but I think rather more awkward. But I do like Ted Hughes's - further from the sound of the original, but as ever he finds good sturdy, familiar English words to tell the tale in a stark, straightforward way.

Thank you Eulalia. I'm not very self-confident

 

[Praefectus Praetorio]

It's summer. So why not a getaway to the beach in France, 1899. I think I spotted slave @Eulalia 's great-something grandmother at 1:13 digging a hole - I guess they didn't have coffee mills. No sign of @Barbaria1 tight little.

 

[NewUser]

Actor Jim Caviezel, who plays the lead role in the film "The Passion of the Christ", spoke about the "very cruel role" that he had to go through during the filming of Mel Gibson:
https://www.ladbible.com/entertainm...ctor-needed-two-open-heart-surgeries-20210614

 

[messaline]

Here are some pics from "Etretat" around 1900 :

1) At this time, the beach was not used by the population to take baths but to launder ...



2) and also to secure the boats of the fishermen ...



3) it was when the railway was joining Paris to "la Côte normande" that rich parisian people were coming ...

 

[Gibbs505]

Some random stuff!