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Yes, the emergence of nation-states, with rulers who decided (even if they remained Catholic) that they could run the church better than the Pope was certainly part of the shift, with Rome responding by becoming ever more authoritarian too.

Cran said:
But the new religion could be justified by having a moral highground over the old, so it became more purtianical to form a distinction.
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I think puritanism in a broad sense was a hard-line reaction against the perceived moral breakdown associated with sale of indulgences, paying priests to pray for one's soul, and suchlike insurance policies against the consequences of sin. But Puritanism with a capital P had a particular, Calvinist, theological foundation with belief in predestination, being actually chosen by God not only to be saved (no matter how sinful a wretch one might be), but to impose the Law of Righteousness on the non-chosen sinners (though they were damned to Hell anyway) And, again, it mirrored equally extreme claims to exclusive access to salvation and possession of the moral high ground among some powerful figures in the Catholic church. But there were many other, more moderate, pragmatic, or simply canny shades of opinion.
 
Eulalia said:
But Puritanism with a capital P had a particular, Calvinist, theological foundation with belief in predestination, being actually chosen by God not only to be saved (no matter how sinful a wretch one might be), but to impose the Law of Righteousness on the non-chosen sinners (though they were damned to Hell anyway)
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And so, Puritans worked hard, stroving for succes, since succes in work or business was a sign from God that one was chosen!
 
Eulalia said:
Yes, the emergence of nation-states, with rulers who decided (even if they remained Catholic) that they could run the church better than the Pope was certainly part of the shift, with Rome responding by becoming ever more authoritarian too.


I think puritanism in a broad sense was a hard-line reaction against the perceived moral breakdown associated with sale of indulgences, paying priests to pray for one's soul, and suchlike insurance policies against the consequences of sin. But Puritanism with a capital P had a particular, Calvinist, theological foundation with belief in predestination, being actually chosen by God not only to be saved (no matter how sinful a wretch one might be), but to impose the Law of Righteousness on the non-chosen sinners (though they were damned to Hell anyway) And, again, it mirrored equally extreme claims to exclusive access to salvation and possession of the moral high ground among some powerful figures in the Catholic church. But there were many other, more moderate, pragmatic, or simply canny shades of opinion.
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So, break away movments were already established on their own, but were then adopted and futher promoted by rulers of nation states.
I do remember learning about Martin Luther and Calvin in school, but not in much detail.
 
Cran said:
So, break away movments were already established on their own, but were then adopted and futher promoted by rulers of nation states.
I do remember learning about Martin Luther and Calvin in school, but not in much detail.
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There were certainly groups within the church in pretty well all parts of Europe that were becoming, one way or another, 'semi-detached', and it was politically expedient for some rulers to encourage and work with such dissidents - though at other times and in other places, to persecute them. There's much debate about how far these reforming movements had popular support, mind - some did, others were more factions within the nobility, in the universities, or within the church itself.
 
My earliest memory of "classical" music. I was seven or eight, in the mid-50s, when I played this on an old 78 of my parents' (it is short, so the whole thing fit on two sides of the old disks). I vividly remember my father explaining that it represented the bombing of the City of Warsaw by the Nazziis (that's the way he always pronounced that) back in 1939. With my sketchy knowledge of wartime history, the music was very evocative - I thought I could hear the bombs dropping.
This piece of 'program music' (depicting a described event) started my following 65 years of love for classic music. Thank you, Richard Addinsell, and thank you, Dad, it's been a great run! :clapping:
 
Naraku said:
The latest news from Florida: We are now the US home of penis snakes (yes, that's right, penis snakes)
gizmodo.com

Freaky ‘Penis Snakes’ Have Finally Made It to the U.S., and of Course They Chose Florida

The legless amphibians are probably harmless, most certainly hideous—and possibly here to stay.
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I take umbrage with the article's author characterizing the penis snake as "this unsightly little guy. . . ."

Whatever happened to good ole' penis envy?

He also said the penis snakes "are shy and have very poor eyesight, though a specialized sense organ located between their eyes and nostrils helps them. . . ." At least he got this partially right. Not the shy part, though.
 
Praefectus Praetorio said:
My earliest memory of "classical" music. I was seven or eight, in the mid-50s, when I played this on an old 78 of my parents' (it is short, so the whole thing fit on two sides of the old disks). I vividly remember my father explaining that it represented the bombing of the City of Warsaw by the Nazziis (that's the way he always pronounced that) back in 1939. With my sketchy knowledge of wartime history, the music was very evocative - I thought I could hear the bombs dropping.
This piece of 'program music' (depicting a described event) started my following 65 years of love for classic music. Thank you, Richard Addinsell, and thank you, Dad, it's been a great run! :clapping:
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It was composed for the film "Dangerous Moonlight" starring Anton Walbrook, and was part of the British Film industry`s attempt to boost morale at a particularly low point at the beginning of WW 2.
 
President Trump meant he could have a "deal" with Talibans. No way. Now the western troups left the country. I am sure we will see lots of executions in Afghanistan in the near future, and I wouldn't be surprised if they will use lots of torture as well. Ok, I like stories about torture, but this is reality.
 
geolier said:
President Trump meant he could have a "deal" with Talibans. No way. Now the western troups left the country. I am sure we will see lots of executions in Afghanistan in the near future, and I wouldn't be surprised if they will use lots of torture as well. Ok, I like stories about torture, but this is reality.
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With religious fanatics, no matter what religion they belong to. Should you never do business, that is absolutely immoral.
 
Praefectus Praetorio said:
Exploring the varieties of Marital Bliss!
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@twonines was putting his jacket on, and his wife asked him “Where are you going?”
“To the doctor; I’m going to get some of that Viagra!” he replied.
”Wait; I’ll get my sweater, and go with you.” she told him.
”Are you that eager, honey?” he asked.
”No,” she replied, “but if you’re going to use that rusty old thing, I’m getting a tetanus shot!”
 
Praefectus Praetorio said:
@twonines was putting his jacket on, and his wife asked him “Where are you going?”
“To the doctor; I’m going to get some of that Viagra!” he replied.
”Wait; I’ll get my sweater, and go with you.” she told him.
”Are you that eager, honey?” he asked.
”No,” she replied, “but if you’re going to use that rusty old thing, I’m getting a tetanus shot!”
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Why would I need Viagra? I just think of Eul , Kathy`s pussy or Barb`s tight little!
 
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