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On The Recurrence Of Forced Sex Thematics In Roman Crucifixion Art And Literature

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dfg42

Governor
I remembered this picture as depicting defeated Roman legionaries naked, and being "marched under the yoke," the ultimate in utter humiliation.

Seems that sissy of an artist left them loincloths. :(
We learned that story as the first big victory of Divico (and so a big Swiss hero.....), later defeated by Julius Cesar. Not much effort we put in sexualising these situations... I do not know, since we see a clash of cultures and honestly I am a big ignorant about the sex habits of the Celts. What do we know about that? There are here some Irish or people from Wales?
 

willowfall

Tribune
We learned that story as the first big victory of Divico (and so a big Swiss hero.....), later defeated by Julius Cesar. Not much effort we put in sexualising these situations... I do not know, since we see a clash of cultures and honestly I am a big ignorant about the sex habits of the Celts. What do we know about that? There are here some Irish or people from Wales?

It has nothing to do with sex. It was totally about humiliation.

Being "under the yoke" was a euphemism that you were subservient to, the slaves of, the people making you do it. And stripping them of their arms, armor and cloths indicated that they were not worthy of carrying or owning them. And when they were given back some cloths for the walk back home it also indicated that they were beholden to the victors (more humiliation). (Completely aside the equipment, weapons and armor also goes into the victors inventory)

As a Spartan mother was reputed to say to her son as she handed him his shield when he went of to war "With it or on it." If he came home alive without his shield (his heaviest and most awkward piece of equipment) it means he tossed it away so he could run away faster. Dishonor in a time when honor was the most important thing a man could possess.

In a sexual context the person doing the penetrating was dominant and the one being penetrated was submissive. So if the Celts DID rape the Romans, again it was more along the line of humiliation than fulfillment of sexual desires. In modern context 'who's your daddy bitch'.

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messaline

Crucified Amazon
We learned that story as the first big victory of Divico (and so a big Swiss hero.....), later defeated by Julius Cesar. Not much effort we put in sexualising these situations... I do not know, since we see a clash of cultures and honestly I am a big ignorant about the sex habits of the Celts. What do we know about that? There are here some Irish or people from Wales?
At the origin, the yoke was a piece of wood to link two bullocks for that they could drag a trailer ...
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To pass under the yoke :

Among the Romans, javelin tied horizontally on two other earthen-sized earth, and under which the victor passed, as a sign of submission, the leaders and soldiers of the defeated army" (also called caudine forks).
220px-Romains_passant_sous_le_joug_Charles_Gleyre.jpg divers-furculae-caudinae-big.jpg So, later, this expression was using when it was concerning all kind of humiliation ...
 

dfg42

Governor
At the origin, the yoke was a piece of wood to link two bullocks for that they could drag a trailer ...
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To pass under the yoke :

Among the Romans, javelin tied horizontally on two other earthen-sized earth, and under which the victor passed, as a sign of submission, the leaders and soldiers of the defeated army" (also called caudine forks).
View attachment 952539 View attachment 952540 So, later, this expression was using when it was concerning all kind of humiliation ...
Naturally I learned that in school to... Unfortunately it makes no sense at all, because the ox does not pass under it and lowers his head. You put it from above to the neck of the animal..... you see?
 

messaline

Crucified Amazon
Naturally I learned that in school to... Unfortunately it makes no sense at all, because the ox does not pass under it and lowers his head. You put it from above to the neck of the animal..... you see?
OH, YES ! I see well !!! :D ;) :tejeqteje:
 

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willowfall

Tribune
Naturally I learned that in school to... Unfortunately it makes no sense at all, because the ox does not pass under it and lowers his head. You put it from above to the neck of the animal..... you see?

You don't get because you live in an automobile society. So I'll try to make some sense of it for you.

There are basically two ways to attach animals to a cart or implement to power. First you have to understand that animals don't "pull" anything. They push into their harness and that translates the animal's power to whatever needs to be moved.

Because on bovines there is no appreciable rise from the top of the shoulders to the top of the head their muscle structure is very linear. Also when you have a team you try to have them the same height so that they balance their power our and one animal is not doing more work than the other. A yoke is put on top of the shoulders (thus the animal is underneath it) and is connected with a minimum of additional parts. Usually just the "bows". Also the attachment point for the pole is basically very high on top of the animal,

On an equine collar performs the same function as a yoke but the weight of the equipment is carried under the horses neck not above. When a horse is harnessed by a breast strap type harness all the weight is below the animals' shoulders. Other harness animals (dogs, goats, etc) generally use a breast strap sp again they are carrying a weight below their shoulder.

When humans are yoked, while the weight is actually spread across the shoulders even when it is below the shoulders (ala buckets of milk).

So the short answer is, when something is yoked, the yoke is on top.

And if you still don't understand I recommend you go to a farm that is using animal power and yoke the oxen and harness the horses.

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