You have excellent taste.My list would include numbers 1and 4
Of course..... I always have room for one more.Can’t argue with that....do you have room in that white van for me?
Just from the ladies, or are us guys' answers sought as well?Describe how you would inspect a female slave for sale, curious. Would like to hear from the ladies. Art by Kindinov
Hmm... while sex may not have been the main use, a lot of owners did use slaves for that on the side. So if they were young and pretty, then some preliminary handling iis fairly plausible - assuming the owner even buys the slave's themselves instead of sending an agent. (Of course, an agent who might not have as much access to slave-flesh themselves might also take liberties...)Most of the art we enjoy has a sexual orientation. If you are buying sex slaves then the answer to the question is what appeals to you and gets you hard. The BDFSM films where girls have their breasts grabbed and squeezed, or a girl is whipped to see how much pain she can take, or she is bent over to have her vagina and ass inspected is strictly a modern thing to get you guys excited.
And this is also a very important point... one of the jobs of the seller, of course, is convincing the slave to sell themselves as best as possible. (Often via dire threats of what happens to slaves who go *un*sold too long...)And this brings up another point with a slave sale. How hard is the slave trying to sell themselves?
Just from the ladies, or are us guys' answers sought as well?
Hmm... while sex may not have been the main use, a lot of owners did use slaves for that on the side. So if they were young and pretty, then some preliminary handling iis fairly plausible - assuming the owner even buys the slave's themselves instead of sending an agent. (Of course, an agent who might not have as much access to slave-flesh themselves might also take liberties...)
All in all a great general rundown on the important points, though! And your second one is very good too - your horse-buying experience serves you well!
And this is also a very important point... one of the jobs of the seller, of course, is convincing the slave to sell themselves as best as possible. (Often via dire threats of what happens to slaves who go *un*sold too long...)
I did say "if they were young and pretty". And there are various options which don't involve the risk of pregnancy. (Which many Romans did not avoid, if they could afford the risks - vernae, houseborn slaves, were often considered the most loyal and reliable.)kisses
willowfall
Slave-concubinage was very much part of the system, at the high-end of the market. St Augustine was exceptional in many ways, but by no means so in being given a slave-concubine when he was 17, with whom he lived, apparently very happily for 15 years, but then married a woman of his own social class, and 'pensioned off' the concubine with the boy they'd had together - we only have his side of the story, of course, but it seems he was genuinely fond of the woman and the boy, provided well for them both - the lad sadly died in his teens.I don't disagree that sex was a secondary benefit for any slave owner but the primary (and far and away) purpose was labor. Domestic, manufacturing, farm doesn't matter it was labor. And oh by the way putting a worker out of commission during the latter part of a pregnancy or early period after birth is not a good economic use of the machinery. And we are not even counting the number of women who died in child birth. Do you think slaves got top shelf medical care?
And don't go the route that 'I want to breed her' cause that ain't flying in Roman society. Yes it happened, particularly among Legionaries who would get their citizenship AFTER they had survived their tour but in the meantime had been shacked up with a slave girl cause he wasn't allowed to marry. But if you are hobnobbing with Augustus, fuck the daylights out of her but don't claim the kid because then you aren't only off the "A" list, you are off all of them worth being on.
Slave-concubinage was very much part of the system, at the high-end of the market. St Augustine was exceptional in many ways, but by no means so in being given a slave-concubine when he was 17, with whom he lived, apparently very happily for 15 years, but then married a woman of his own social class, and 'pensioned off' the concubine with the boy they'd had together - we only have his side of the story, of course, but it seems he was genuinely fond of the woman and the boy, provided well for them both - the lad sadly died in his teens.
Great insight. I think a Roman could formerly adopt a child, and it would be considered his. I definitely could see this happening to a loved concubine’s child.Oh definitely men had babies thru their slaves (and concubines but that was a different level in the female-partner hierarchy) and in some case provided quite well for both mother and child. I never said men didn't fall in love with their slaves.
What I said was, above the lowest levels of society, in a western 'civilized' (term used very loosely) society they would not be legitimized. Now that is a whole different level than they might not be freed or they might not even become very successful members of society (you certainly see this). So for example an Emperor could have a ton of illegitimate children thru slaves, concubines or Mistresses but only a son thru a WIFE could have a claim on the throne.
Unlike say in an "Asian" (as the Romans called them) society where a male could legitimize any child via any woman just by claiming the child as their own. A ton of Persian and Pharaonic Egyptian (and later Ottoman) rulers where the children of slaves. And their Harems (a term we misinterpret in the west) were chock full of women acquired thru conquest or sale for sex (or sometimes being shown off as art objects like 'Oh that pretty little thing? Yeah she was the wife of the king of some minor kingdom we conquered, I forget which one.')
But we happen to be playing in the Roman Empire not Persia and not some barbarian tribe north of the Danube.
Certainly slaves were bought for sexual purposes. By people who could afford that luxury (think the rich guy who has a stable of race horses or a classic car collection) and by establishments whose profession revolved around sex (and the brothels none of us could afford got the better looking sex slaves).
But the ordinary slave was bought for what she could do labor wise, even if her owner\overseer was getting in a quick boff while the wife was visiting her sister with the kids.
My original start of the discussion is in our fantasy world we seem preoccupied with the sexual aspect (and YES I completely understand the overwhelming sexual component of our fantasy) but then I guess in our little fantasy world all the tormentors are wealthy powerful men and an ugly duckingly never shows up on the auction block, lol.
Sex IS the driving force in humanity, why do you think prostitution is the world's oldest profession? And we women have been using sex in various different ways to get what we want since Eve. If I was on the slave block you can be damn sure I'd pick out the what I thought to be the 4-5 richest men among the bidders and do my best to convince them that not only was I what they were looking for but also there were "benefits" to go along with my primary purpose.
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willowfall
Secondary question Willow, what would you do to convince them, there on the auction block? Asking for a friend.Oh definitely men had babies thru their slaves (and concubines but that was a different level in the female-partner hierarchy) and in some case provided quite well for both mother and child. I never said men didn't fall in love with their slaves.
What I said was, above the lowest levels of society, in a western 'civilized' (term used very loosely) society they would not be legitimized. Now that is a whole different level than they might not be freed or they might not even become very successful members of society (you certainly see this). So for example an Emperor could have a ton of illegitimate children thru slaves, concubines or Mistresses but only a son thru a WIFE could have a claim on the throne.
Unlike say in an "Asian" (as the Romans called them) society where a male could legitimize any child via any woman just by claiming the child as their own. A ton of Persian and Pharaonic Egyptian (and later Ottoman) rulers where the children of slaves. And their Harems (a term we misinterpret in the west) were chock full of women acquired thru conquest or sale for sex (or sometimes being shown off as art objects like 'Oh that pretty little thing? Yeah she was the wife of the king of some minor kingdom we conquered, I forget which one.')
But we happen to be playing in the Roman Empire not Persia and not some barbarian tribe north of the Danube.
Certainly slaves were bought for sexual purposes. By people who could afford that luxury (think the rich guy who has a stable of race horses or a classic car collection) and by establishments whose profession revolved around sex (and the brothels none of us could afford got the better looking sex slaves).
But the ordinary slave was bought for what she could do labor wise, even if her owner\overseer was getting in a quick boff while the wife was visiting her sister with the kids.
My original start of the discussion is in our fantasy world we seem preoccupied with the sexual aspect (and YES I completely understand the overwhelming sexual component of our fantasy) but then I guess in our little fantasy world all the tormentors are wealthy powerful men and an ugly duckingly never shows up on the auction block, lol.
Sex IS the driving force in humanity, why do you think prostitution is the world's oldest profession? And we women have been using sex in various different ways to get what we want since Eve. If I was on the slave block you can be damn sure I'd pick out the what I thought to be the 4-5 richest men among the bidders and do my best to convince them that not only was I what they were looking for but also there were "benefits" to go along with my primary purpose.
kisses
willowfall
Secondary question Willow, what would you do to convince them, there on the auction block? Asking for a friend.
Great insight. I think a Roman could formerly adopt a child, and it would be considered his. I definitely could see this happening to a loved concubine’s child.
What if it was a sapphic slave auction? Use the same showing off/revealing strategy?Well fortunately I have a lot of experience with public speaking so some of the methods would be the same. For example eye contact, you want him to know this is for him, so you look him directly in the eye.
A smile, wink, blow someone a kiss. All good initiators without commitment, see if he responds. Does he run his eyes over your body or is he busy talking to to his buddy next to him? Is his facial expression engaged or does he look bored? If you get positive indicators then you move onto more serious stuff. If not don't waste anymore time on him.
If you find he has an interest then you direct more serious things towards him. A slow sensual pursing of the lips like he was something delicious you wanted to eat. Make sure when walking around the stage to put one foot in front of the other (watch super models) as it makes your hips swing and your breasts bounce more. When turning around keep face forward as long as you can before swinging your face to the approaching side, nobody cares about the back of your head.
Throw your hair over your head and then flip it back.
Run your palms over your curves as far down your body as you can without bending over and when bringing your hands back up your body make sure they pass over your sex (DON'T play with yourself, he is buying you to entertain him not yourself) and up your belly before you cup your breasts. Run your finger tips over your areolas and nipples.
And some point make sure you do bend over but don't let your shoulders get level with your hips. I have never met a guy who didn't like the sight of dangling breasts.
Now if I was bigger chested (I'm a "B") I might lightly lick my nipples when displaying them because I could keep eye contact with the buyer while doing that. Believe me he is not thinking what my tongue might do for my nipples (no matter how much he likes that), he is thinking what my tongue might do for his anatomy.
The types of things you see in modern BDSM (checking out sex and ass) probably didn't happen in an auction setting. When you buy a horse (or any live stock) you do the physical exam in the stall before the animal comes out for bidding. Once the bidding starts the auctioneer has no time for you to poke at the subject, he wants to get as many thru the sale as possible before the buyers lose interest (and they do).
Don't concentrate on just one man, find several in the audience who you think are good candidates. These are highly successful powerful men with egos. A lot of the conversation around the lectus was 'I did this or I own that'. Very much like modern rich guys. They love nothing better than one upping their social peers. If you can get several of them interested a bidding war starts which is only in your favor because he is less likely to discard you (he doesn't want to admit in front of his buddies buying you was a mistake) quickly. Plus a bidding war makes the seller very happy.
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willowfall
What if it was a sapphic slave auction? Use the same showing off/revealing strategy?
I think that we all try to visualize how slavery and slave inspections did happen. I can’t even imagine the fear and trepidation felt by those taken from a life of freedom then captured, inspected, and sold into a life with no freedom. Whether it was because of a country losing a war, kidnapping , or a penal thing indentured servitude for debt or a crime, the life change that took place must have been almost unbearable. Short of survival instinct, I am sure that suicide was a very viable option for many. Slavery was brutal and still is a brutal part of society today. Sorry to put a bummer on the fantasy of slavery but I feel nothing but pity for children and young women that have somehow found their way into the world-wide human trafficking system.