My argument is that if you are going to argue in favour of the death penalty then it is illogical to worry about the amount of pain you are going to cause - and seeing the culprit hanging from a cross would surely be a true deterent.
He might have something!So, the ancient Romans had it right then?
My argument is that if you are going to argue in favour of the death penalty then it is illogical to worry about the amount of pain you are going to cause - and seeing the culprit hanging from a cross would surely be a true deterent.
How disappointing, the voice of reason and intelligence!Even if you do not worry about the condemned you ought to worry about the dehumanising effect excessive suffering has on the witnesses. Further but the deterrent effect of public execution is somewhat iffy. The deterrent effect of getting caught on the other hand is far greater and countless case studies have shown that it works such as for example the creation of the Metropolitan Police and the effect it had on crime, which was so great that police forces had to be set up in other counties and cities than London because career criminals fled the Met.
Many of us here have visited broken countries and failed states and have no wish to see more civilised nations fall back into that abyss.
Besides in an age when violent crime is falling across the OECD (not that anyone is quite sure why) your solution seems somewhat in search of a problem.
How disappointing, the voice of reason and intelligence!
No need, sometimes my sense of humour tends to become a bit obscure!Apologies, my sense of humour tends to switch off on this subject.
The title of thread is a bit misleading i think. Who espected under the title "Hello" a discussion over modern crucifixion as death penality?
why is it illogical?if you are going to argue in favour of the death penalty then it is illogical to worry about the amount of pain you are going to cause
My thought, Barbaria. But as newbie i don't want thats make without the advice and opinion from the other moderators.Perhaps it could be edited to "crucifixion as a modern death penalty"?
I hope Donald Trump does not visit this site, although you never know.Are there any other members who believe in the use of crucifixion or is everyone else here for fetish/sexual reasons.
Your argument isn't one at all I'd say.My argument is that if you are going to argue in favour of the death penalty then it is illogical to worry about the amount of pain you are going to cause
A lot of what's going on with public executions seems to me, rather than deterrence, to be an aggressive celebration that swears in the spectators on a set of values.- and seeing the culprit hanging from a cross would surely be a true deterent.
I would always have guessed a lot of that is just plain boring demographics...?Besides in an age when violent crime is falling across the OECD (not that anyone is quite sure why)
Your argument isn't one at all I'd say.
Even if one did favor the death penalty it could still be the (painless) final removal of a person from a society, that this society feels it cannot under any circumstances tolerate to exist.
It wouldn't be an argument either to say, if we have prisons in the first place, they should all be non-stop 24/7 torture dungeons.
A lot of what's going on with public executions seems to me, rather than deterrence, to be an aggressive celebration that swears in the spectators on a set of values.
That's why violent tyrannies often enforce attendance.
See the current example of Islamic State.
They don't find it very easy to deter the things they punish with death, it's more a ceremony by which they induce the people of conquered territories to become a part of the Caliphate's society. Some do that willingly because they support those values but many are coerced into this ritual.
You do that when your society can't stand on the basis of its values but the essence of it is force and subjugation.
While the Romans had some nice Republican ideals they might occasionally even have applied amongst their citizenry, their empire very much relied on continuous conquest, subjugation and enslavement and that's where crux comes in...
Modern crux I think as a storytelling device is a perfectly valid scenario, if we devise a society that would do that, it would be a dystopian one though.
It's possible to imagine the steps of civilizational descent that might lead there but it's got nothing to with improving justice.
It's also possible to highlight failings of some of the currently established practices of justice without going to extremes...