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malins
Stumbling Seeker
Maybe impalation will be the signature method of the new Revolution triggered by such an atrocity...?Well, that looks as if it belongs on our 'Impalations' thread
Seriously though we are going to hear exactly those arguments in a competition ... "Architecture must represent our present time - we must progress, and not recreate images of the past, a past that we have overcome and must be discarded..."
The spire that just burned and fell was a replacement, vintage mid 19th century.
One thing I've learnt from BBC coverage is that the actual building of Notre Dame,
and of other French cathedrals, is the property and responsibility of the French Government,
not of the Church. Which is why Macron is taking charge of these initiatives,
with little or no input from the Church authorities.
On the other hand, I suppose the furniture, art-works and treasures belong to the Church,
and it will be the ecclesiastical hierarchy who decide what is done to restore the interior
(apart from the windows, stone carvings etc. that are part of the structure).
and of other French cathedrals, is the property and responsibility of the French Government,
not of the Church. Which is why Macron is taking charge of these initiatives,
with little or no input from the Church authorities.
On the other hand, I suppose the furniture, art-works and treasures belong to the Church,
and it will be the ecclesiastical hierarchy who decide what is done to restore the interior
(apart from the windows, stone carvings etc. that are part of the structure).
Frank Petrexa
Tribune
That's a really great lightning target--maybe it will fire up the deity and invite a strike.
(Archbishop Paul Marcinkus of shady Vatican Bank fame liked to play golf and swore on occasion. He told the following joke.
A priest playing golf with a nun missed a shot and took the Lord's name in vain.
The nun warned him of the consequences.
A bolt came out of the blue and killed the nun.
A booming voice sounded: "Christ! Missed again!")
windar
Teller of Tales
During the Revolution, churches were confiscated. Notre Dame became a "Temple of Reason". Napoleon made a Concordat with the Vatican under which the Church, along with Lutheran and Jewish religions were given official state status, including some subsidies.
Most of the art in the churches was seized. Though there are important artworks in Notre Dame and other French cathedrals, there aren't the masterpieces that one finds in Italian churches, for example. Those are in the Louvre and other state museums.
messaline
Crucified Amazon
The life would be too sad if we couldn't joke ...
messaline
Crucified Amazon
It was to be sold in first ...
There are 154 cathedrals in France, of which 87 belong to the State. Others are private ...
messaline
Crucified Amazon
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
Napoleon crowned in the Cathedral painted by David
Owned by the State, but the Catholic Archdioceses is given exclusive use (subject to tourism) in perpetuity.
LittleSiss
Sorceress
Too soon???
...perhaps, Siss
I’ve always wished David had stuck to his original concept, which I understand depicted what really happened.
Attachments
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
Few major cities in Europe don't sit on the site of a Roman city. Cologne (Colonia), Koblenz (Cōnfluentēs), Avignon (Avenio) and few Cathedrals don't sit on an ancient pagan temple. These places were believed to have magical powers by the common folk from time immemorial, and the christian church simply adopted the locations.It would also seem that Notre Dame sits on the site of a former temple of Vulcan, the Roman god of fire...
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LittleSiss
Sorceress
Sorry about the jerk comment.
I was over reacting.
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hammers
Guest
Latest information, filtered through the media, attribute the probable origin of the fire to one of the lifts,used by the workmen, gone in short-circuit. If this will be confirmed we will be definitely assured on the accidental origin of the fire letting all doubts and fears of deliberate acts of terrorism fall.
Nevertheless a sensation of defeat and (why not?) misfortune does not give way. If only the computerised alarm system had properly worked
the disaster could have been of minor entity. I understand that experts Restorers/Architects of international fame ,in different fields and from various Countries, have made themselves available to cooperate with French Authorities. I am of the advise that,under this circumstance, an international cooperation would greatly help and UNESCO should take this in charge. Of course the leading role would be taken by the French Architects and experts who will also give the orientation and have the last word in the Project.
Since I live in Italy please allow a little digression to mention a few (of the many) important works accomplished by Italian Restorers/ Architects :
-The Guarini Chapelle (1680),in Baroc Style, connected to Turin's Cathedral which had kept the Holy Shroud untill the year 1993,
was subject to restoration works after this date: while these works were in progress on April 12, 1993 a violent fire, caused by
a short-circuit from the scaffolding in use, nearly destroyed it. It was rebuilt using,along with other building materials, also pieces
of the original architecture,treated and reshaped one by one and set in their original places.
-the 'Fenice' theatre in Venice (inagurated 1792): it was, through the years, subjected to various remodellings and restorations
and even to a fire in 1836. On January 29,1996 it was destroyed by a fraudolent arson. Debris of stones and of the wooden inner structures were recovered and afterwards reemployed in rebuilding. The theatre reopened in December 2003.
Nevertheless a sensation of defeat and (why not?) misfortune does not give way. If only the computerised alarm system had properly worked
the disaster could have been of minor entity. I understand that experts Restorers/Architects of international fame ,in different fields and from various Countries, have made themselves available to cooperate with French Authorities. I am of the advise that,under this circumstance, an international cooperation would greatly help and UNESCO should take this in charge. Of course the leading role would be taken by the French Architects and experts who will also give the orientation and have the last word in the Project.
Since I live in Italy please allow a little digression to mention a few (of the many) important works accomplished by Italian Restorers/ Architects :
-The Guarini Chapelle (1680),in Baroc Style, connected to Turin's Cathedral which had kept the Holy Shroud untill the year 1993,
was subject to restoration works after this date: while these works were in progress on April 12, 1993 a violent fire, caused by
a short-circuit from the scaffolding in use, nearly destroyed it. It was rebuilt using,along with other building materials, also pieces
of the original architecture,treated and reshaped one by one and set in their original places.
-the 'Fenice' theatre in Venice (inagurated 1792): it was, through the years, subjected to various remodellings and restorations
and even to a fire in 1836. On January 29,1996 it was destroyed by a fraudolent arson. Debris of stones and of the wooden inner structures were recovered and afterwards reemployed in rebuilding. The theatre reopened in December 2003.