voyeurjerome
Assistant executioner
One thing that is often said not about the cruxifiction among the Romans is that the condemned man was always completely naked on the cross. As for flogging.
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Naked on the cross
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culus
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Shame, humiliation and total degradation of the crucified male or female is a major component of this ultimate punishment and death. Exposure and deliberate manipulation of the condemned's body makes a statement that is understood by all who will witness the crucifixion. Most men and women are naturally modest where their bodies are concerned. Men are at liberty to go shirtless, but most of us are only nude when we copulate, bath or sleep, all of which are private, intensely intimate actions.
Unless we are high maintenance when it comes to being in good physical condition and controlling excess body hair, the average person is probably not a runway model. So, to be stripped completely naked and hung by the wrists from a wooden cross, with legs splayed wide, belly stretched and genitals obscenely exposed is the ultimate humiliation.
A crowd of boisterous and callous onlookers will gather to watch, free to stare at a woman's naked breasts and open vagina and at a man's penis and scrotum, dangling beneath his belly.
If a cornu is added to the scenario the humiliation is complete. Being impaled up the rectum is the final act of degradation for the condemned and for males, doubly humiliating, as the prostate is stimulated mercilessly and will lead to an erection while hanging on the cross. Now, something meant to be seen only by the eyes of one's lover is exposed for all to see. And, if ejaculation results, the spilling of his semen, in public, will be followed, in fairly short order, by involuntary urination as he hangs helpless on the cross. Nothing is private and the only mercy is for a quick death, but that is not to be.
piraland
Tribune
I really don't believe that crucifying naked people comes from an economic reason!
The shame, the humiliation that the condemned had to feel by being exposed completely naked remains for me the main reason!
In addition, the spectacle offered to all onlookers who came to contemplate the victims had to be at the height of the event.
Suffering, death and nakedness go very well together and, who knows, perhaps the famous orgasms experienced by these people nailed naked on their cross really exist !
Wasn't it very rare that they ever crucified a woman?
piraland
Tribune
Two options appear regarding the crucifixion of women in Roman society!
1. Roman women and citizens were exempt from crucifixion
2. Women had no legal rights in Roman society and could therefore be crucified.
Where is the truth ?
I believe that the problem does not arise for the slaves who could be tortured and killed according to the wishes of their masters.
The only named crucified female on record is the freedwoman Ide
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An interesting piece on the topic in Quora
with links to similar topics. Probably not authoritative, but an interesting read for us crux pervs.
Were women crucified nude and always whipped and tortured first and then were the women raped before being crucified and why?
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www.quora.com
with links to similar topics. Probably not authoritative, but an interesting read for us crux pervs.
Then they crucified Him, and divided His garments, casting lots, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet: “They divided My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots.”
Matthew 27:35
crumera
Crucifier of Pixels
All nice and well dont you think the guys escorting the condemned would have an economic reason to get the clothes for themselves?
Soldiers are famous for plundering on the battlefield, conquered settlements etc dont think they need incentive to get the valuable clothes of a condemned prisoner?
Hand-made and handwoven clothes are still expensive today, not talking a bout mass produced clothes we have today.
Evryy piece of clothing was handmade/homemade back then.. time and energy was invested to make it.
The rest is all valid for sure what the judges etc had in mind maybe even the ones doing the crucifying or the mob watching.
And ofc its more sexy for us to see preferable females or males crucified naked.
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
Nudity of the condemned seems to have been applied during Middle Ages and the subsequent Modern Epoch, at least before the age of Enlightment. It was particularly applied during execution for 'lower' crimes, including witchcraft and heresy, treason, etc.. Not for a nobleman to be beheaded.
It was likely to humiliate the condemned and make him/her clear that his/her social rights were forfeited. Of course, one could meanwhile cash the sale of their clothes, as a sideward profit.
It was likely to humiliate the condemned and make him/her clear that his/her social rights were forfeited. Of course, one could meanwhile cash the sale of their clothes, as a sideward profit.
geolier
Tribune
I think nudity in roman times wasn't something remarkable. After all there was no catholic rigor concerning sexuality. Taking into account how much work was to be done to produce clothes an economic reason for stripping those condemned to death appeas more than plausible.
Fox-on-Cross
Great-Cruxinquisitor
Greeks and Romans had no shame.
And no legionary dressed underpants.
And no legionary dressed underpants.
markus
Tribune
At the time of the Romans, from the middle republican age, a very "modern" code of laws was elaborated. It (Roman law) was a fact unknown to the whole world and it was so advanced that it is still studied at university today. The Greek world is based on philosophy, the Roman world on law. In Roman law there was a clear distinction between the rights of Roman citizens and slaves (who had no rights since they were "property") Roman women had rights (for example, dowry, their property as long as they lived) but were totally subject to the father and then to the husband (like children up to adulthood) who could also repudiate them or, in certain cases, kill them. Roman citizens (men and women) could not be sentenced to death by crucifixion (punishment reserved for slaves or defeated peoples.) From the time of Julius Caesar onwards (imperial age), however, there were many abuses or violations of the laws, perpetrated by emperors and consuls for whom Roman citizens and their families were also executed with the cross. Usually the Romans preferred to spare the women of the enemies to sell them as slaves, but in the military campaigns in Gaul, in Britain, in Dacia, Sarmazia and in Judea the crucifixions of women of the enemies were not rare.
A point that gets overlooked in discussion of the question of nudity in Roman times,
and more generally in the ancient world, is that the sight of the private parts was
offensive, humiliating, and even positively harmful to the viewer.
If Romans did think it necessary to cover the condemned man's or woman's parts
in a loincloth, it was to protect themselves, not the victim.
and more generally in the ancient world, is that the sight of the private parts was
offensive, humiliating, and even positively harmful to the viewer.
If Romans did think it necessary to cover the condemned man's or woman's parts
in a loincloth, it was to protect themselves, not the victim.
markus
Tribune
SOME ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION. In Palestine, Roman province, the crucifixion was widely used against the Jews to suppress the riots: during the siege of Titus, which ended with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70, the Roman troops, for months, crucified up to 500 Jews every day per day. The Jewish historian Giuseppe Flavio denounces precisely the brutality of the repression, also to the detriment of women and children, stressing that the penalty of crucifixion is also imposed on moderates, indiscriminately, and people of high social rank (i.e. not only slaves and criminals). At the time of Caligula, (AD 37-41), the Jews were tortured and crucified in the amphitheater to entertain the inhabitants of Alexandria. Women were mentioned in specific cases from ancient sources, two passages contained in the Mishna, one in Tractate Mourning 2.11, where it is said that women could be sacrificed. The second reference is contained in Sanhedrin 6.5, in which Simeon B. Shetah is said to have hung 70 or 80 witches in the city of Aschelon. However, since crucifixion was widely used to execute slaves, it can be assumed that in the ancient world its use was not conditioned by sex, but mainly by the class of belonging of the condemned.