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What happened to the guy Who did all the
guillotine executions during WW2

Following VE Day, Reichhart, a member of the Nazi Party, was arrested by members of the United States Army and spent one week in Stadelheim Prison for the purposes of denazification. He was not tried for carrying out his official duties as judicial executioner. He was subsequently employed by the U.S. Office of Military Government, until the end of May 1946, to help execute 156 Nazi war criminals on the gallows at Landsberg am Lech.

 
Oh i have heard of him , did`nt he guillotine a young girl
and afterwards said she was the bravest person he ever executed

Sounds like Sophie Scholl.

On 22 February 1943, Scholl, her brother, Hans, and their friend, Christoph Probst, were found guilty of treason and condemned to death. They were all beheaded by guillotine by executioner Johann Reichhart in Munich's Stadelheim Prison only a few hours later, at 17:00 hrs. The execution was supervised by Walter Roemer, the enforcement chief of the Munich district court. Prison officials, in later describing the scene, emphasized the courage with which she walked to her execution. Her last words were:
Such a fine, sunny day, and I have to go... What does my death matter, if through us, thousands of people are awakened and stirred to action?[17][19][20]

 
Oh, Apostate, you were just a minute faster than I thought ...

This girl can only have been Sophie Scholl:


And as far as I know, this was her judge. In his case, I really hope there is a hell for creatures like him and he is still burning there:


He died in a bomb attack by alliied forces and:

"Apparently nobody regretted his death."[23] Luise Jodl, then the wife of General Alfred Jodl, recounted more than 25 years later that she had been working at the Lützow Hospital when Freisler's body was brought in, and that a worker commented, "It is God's verdict." According to Mrs. Jodl, "Not one person said a word in reply."[26]
 
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And as far as I know, this was her judge. In his case, I really hope there is a hell for creatures like him and he is still burning there:

Definitely one of the creatures that makes an unbeliever want to believe, because there's just got to be a Hell.
 
It is always a pleasure for me to be able here to live it up: my typical German "smart-ass-syndrome"! ;) So, thank you and good night! Until tomorrow.
How would you say "smart-ass-syndrome" in German?:D

Following VE Day, Reichhart, a member of the Nazi Party, was arrested by members of the United States Army and spent one week in Stadelheim Prison for the purposes of denazification. He was not tried for carrying out his official duties as judicial executioner. He was subsequently employed by the U.S. Office of Military Government, until the end of May 1946, to help execute 156 Nazi war criminals on the gallows at Landsberg am Lech.
Turncoat!:mad:
 
"Smart-ass-syndrome" is "Klugscheißer-Syndrom" in German.
;)

Mhm, maybe this SF & Fantasy - thread is also now the right place to mention this:
There really could be a "hell" like it is not described up to now very publicly and like it never was described by any of our human religions.

But first a short introduction:

After the death of one relative of mine, I was very interested in the scientific research of the so-called NDE's, the Near-Death-Experiences and there were a lot of books about it some years ago between 1980 and 2000. Later, it became a bit less in publications because many claims and experiments could not be repeated and not be proven.
Moreover, religious groups tried to influence the public opinion in their special beliefs, so it was no more really an interesting subject of scientific research because researcher were in danger of being regarded like influenced by their beliefs or by beliefs of others.

In any case, this following statement from one of the books about human behaviour can be regarded as proven and I am paraphrasing the passage a bit to make it shorter:

"The experience of a feeling of happiness before the real and final death as described in the so-called NDE's might be a last bio-chemical 'fireworks celebration' before the fading out of any brain activity but all who 'survived' this said later that this was the most intense '(pseudo?) - religious' experience they ever had, even if they were atheists and most of them said they would not fear death any more but had the feeling it was not their decision if they are dead or alive - so it was not up to them to decide the end of their lives or the life of anybody else.
Regarding this, we probably can say that the "religiosity of human beings" may have its basis in a neuro-psychological structure in their brains, genetically predispositioned in a biological 'matrix' in the unknown depths of our subconsciousness.
And the most important and possibly worst of all questions then is this one: Might it be possible, thinkable, probable or bearable for us human beings to be biological pre-dispositioned into the direction of "something" that does not exist?"

Why should the nature on our planet have invented such a "NDE's fireworks celebration of happiness-feelings" just before the final death when there could also have been a simple "turn the lights off" - switch?

And in order to get back from "heaven" to "hell": There was a story in a TV documentation on German TV which surprised me a lot. This researcher in a "Raymond-Moody-Style" was of the opinion that most persons who told NDE's up to his research were usually and simply nice and very "normal" people interviewed after their life-threatening operations , accidents etc.
He wanted to find someone "evil" with an NDE in order to see if there were differences.
He found someone who was not so "evil" as he was looking for but this story is at least incredibly good invented if it is not really true.
He found a bank robber with a heart attack in a prison's hospital who was frightened and told him he will tell this story only to him because no one else would believe it and he could lose his position as a "tough criminal" in this prison when someone else will ever know this story or why he might change his behaviour after coming back from the hospital because he will live now in fear of the hell he had experienced during his NDE.

The researcher told his story as follows:
After this bank robber's heart stopped and before he could be re-animated, he suddenly had something like a 3-D-vision of the scenery of the last bank he raided. But he was not in his body but in every body of any person who was there during his raid, persons he had not even in his memory any more and he felt the fear he was causing in every single person in succession.
And he had the feeling this was only one of his bank raids which seemed to last now hours for him although it took place in some minutes. The other raids of his life were still to be lived through after this scenery was finished. Then he was re-animated by the doctors who told him he was "clinically dead for only 2 minutes or so".
He told the researcher that this was the worst hell he could imagine and now he fears his probably next NDE more than anything else during his life.

And as I said before: If this story is not true, it is at least one of the best invented stories I have ever heard of ...
 
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... and I really believe that there could be an amount of "evil" which is no more to bear by any (in)human being even without any imagination of "hell".

I have also once seen a documentary by a Polish-American researcher who made his film when Gorbachev was the last leader of the Soviet Union and opened its KGB archives at least in parts for international researchers on history.

This researcher asked in 1990 one of the Russian KGB officers who helped him through the archive about Katyn:
- There are now almost exactly 50 years since the massacre of Katyn, correct?
- Yes.
- There were also young Russian KGB members in their 20's who killed Polish officers and soldiers?!
- Yes.
- They would now be around 70 or 75 years old, right?
- Yes.
- Could it be possible to meet one or to speak to one or to more of them?
- No.
- Why?
- You can believe it or not, but not one single Russian person who took part in this massacre is still alive today. Not one of them grew older than around 60 years - most were not older than 40. They all died in self-inflicted misery, in alcohol-caused accidents or committed suicide. All of them! Not one single Russian soldier or KGB-/ NKWD-member, who was in 1940 in Katyn is still alive - really no one! The worst of them like Blokhin became a bit older but even they died in mental madness or died by suicide. You could only still visit the graves of such persons like Blokhin.
 
Sounds like Sophie Scholl.

On 22 February 1943, Scholl, her brother, Hans, and their friend, Christoph Probst, were found guilty of treason and condemned to death. They were all beheaded by guillotine by executioner Johann Reichhart in Munich's Stadelheim Prison only a few hours later, at 17:00 hrs. The execution was supervised by Walter Roemer, the enforcement chief of the Munich district court. Prison officials, in later describing the scene, emphasized the courage with which she walked to her execution. Her last words were:



Yes that was the girl i had read about her before
what i heard was she was executed in the afternoon
and her brother and friend in the evening, reading
some of the comment below there was some terrible
things happening between 1940/45. i did visit
Anna Franks home in Amsterdam anyone going
to Amsterdam should visit there it is very interesting
 
... and I really believe that there could be an amount of "evil" which is no more to bear by any (in)human being even without any imagination of "hell".

I have also once seen a documentary by a Polish-American researcher who made his film when Gorbachev was the last leader of the Soviet Union and opened its KGB archives at least in parts for international researchers on history.

This researcher asked in 1990 one of the Russian KGB officers who helped him through the archive about Katyn:
- There are now almost exactly 50 years since the massacre of Katyn, correct?
- Yes.
- There were also young Russian KGB members in their 20's who killed Polish officers and soldiers?!
- Yes.
- They would now be around 70 or 75 years old, right?
- Yes.
- Could it be possible to meet one or to speak to one or to more of them?
- No.
- Why?
- You can believe it or not, but not one single Russian person who took part in this massacre is still alive today. Not one of them grew older than around 60 years - most were not older than 40. They all died in self-inflicted misery, in alcohol-caused accidents or committed suicide. All of them! Not one single Russian soldier or KGB-/ NKWD-member, who was in 1940 in Katyn is still alive - really no one! The worst of them like Blokhin became a bit older but even they died in mental madness or died by suicide. You could only still visit the graves of such persons like Blokhin.

I knew about the Katyn massacres. I didn’t know about the fates of the killers. Suicides and suicides by alcohol, eh?

"Thus conscience doth make cowards of us all."
 
Yes ... and who knows how much truth is really in such old quotations like these ones ? :

Vengeance is Mine, and recompense;
Their foot shall slip in due time;
For the day of their calamity is at hand,
And the things to come hasten upon them.’

(Deuteronomy 32: 35)

"The mills of the Gods are grinding long times but thus they are grinding fine powder."
(Sextus Empiricus, Roman medicus and philosopher, similar saying before by Plutarchos)

The common German saying "langsam, aber sicher" ("slowly, but surely") is said to have been derived from:

„Gottes Mühlen mahlen langsam, mahlen aber trefflich klein. /
Ob aus Langmut er sich säumet, bringt mit Schärf’ er alles ein.“
By: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_von_Logau


("God's mills are grinding slowly, but grinding fitting small. /
Although he might be slow because of his forbearance, he will judge sharply.")


And finally an Israeli joke about the different units of measurement between mankind and God:

- Dear God, may I ask you some questions?
- Yes, sure.
- Dear God, what does a million years mean to you?
- Not more than a minute will probably mean for you!
- Hm, ok, and what does a million in our currencies mean to you? For example 1 million Dollars?
- Not more than one cent will probably mean to you!
- Hm, ok, would you mind to give me a little present for my birthday tomorrow, for example 1 cent?
- No problem, please wait a minute! ...
... ... ...
 
The guillotine has fascinated me for years
you are laid on the bascule, lunett locking
your head. one second you are alive and well
next second GONE. it`s so quick and instant

But it lacks the aesthetics of crucifixion. :babeando:
 

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I feel very sorry again for my German "Klugscheißer-Syndrom", but I am afraid I have to destroy your beautiful illusions about "quick and instant" guillotinations.

First of all, it is so ugly and "untidy", when the basket is not emptied like in this story from about minute 1:01 and when you can't see so much blood as I do, you cannot really see the beauty in a guillotination:


Second, there can so much go wrong as "Jack Sparrow" showed us in the following scenes of which I could unfortunately not find any examples on YouTube.

Third, there is a reason why the delinquents / offenders are laid TIED on the "bascule": The body sometimes feels a bit lonely without its head and tries to arouse some interest by uncontrollable twitching and convulsions which are looking a bit disturbing without control from the body's head.

Fourth, there is a legend about one of the earliest German pirates, Klaus Störtebeker, ...


... who is said to have been able to walk along AFTER his beheading the line of up to 11 of his 73 companions in order to save their lives as it was promised to him before.

Although everyone is today convinced that this is absolutely impossible, you might get some doubts in your conviction after once having seen that a chicken or a cock can still run up to ten meters after having been beheaded and it is nowadays very difficult to find some persons for testing if Störtebeker's legend could be based on a true event in the Middle Ages ...

So, there are some doubts justified about everything ...
 
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I feel very sorry again for my German "Klugscheißer-Syndrom", but I am afraid I have to destroy your beautiful illusions about "quick and instant" guillotinations.

First of all, it is so ugly and "untidy", when the basket is not emptied like in this story from about minute 1:01 and when you can't see so much blood as I do, you cannot really see the beauty in a guillotination:


Second, there can so much go wrong as "Jack Sparrow" showed us in the following scenes of which I could unfortunately not find any examples on YouTube.

Third, there is a reason why the delinquents / offenders are laid TIED on the "bascule": The body sometimes feels a bit lonely without its head and tries to arouse some interest by uncontrollable twitching and convulsions which are looking a bit disturbing without control from the body's head.

Fourth, there is a legend about one of the earliest German pirates, Klaus Störtebeker, ...


... who is said to have been able to walk along AFTER his beheading the line of up to 11 of his 73 companions in order to save their lives as it was promised to him before.

Although everyone is today convinced that this is absolutely impossible, you might get some doubts in your conviction after once having seen that a chicken or a cock can still run up to ten meters after having been beheaded and it is nowadays very difficult to find some persons for testing if Störtebeker's legend could be based on a true event in the Middle Ages ...

So, there are some doubts justified about everything ...

Oh i`m not saying it`s beautiful, it` s very grizzly and messy
also i think the brain will still give out signals for a few seconds
afterwards, if you read history even market traders in France
complained about the mess and smell when executions were
carried out in the street. But think of it this way, a private execution.
say, a skilled carpenter repairs or rebuilds an abandoned guillotine
with the girlfriend/ wife/ even female friend offering her body to test it.
now it get`s erotic i have captioned two set`s of guillotine executions
with that theme and funny thing it was a german man making the pictures
and honestly i have never got myself so aroused captioning them. you
do the build up and finish up locked down tied to the bascule and head
locked into the lunette, but then it`s small talk and i never know when the
picture with my head falling into the basket will arrive . Now come on, the
historic guillotine executions were messy and grotesque but ar`nt we all
perverts in this group and me being female is always the one who dies
why do you think i love groups like this they are so, so, erotic and sexy.
incidentally the man who guillotined me twice is now in the process of
short drop hanging me and remember i always have to give myself for
sex before i die, that does`nt happen to a man.
 
Sometimes during my times at the universities, a professor said that it is useful for a scientist to look at other human beings in sociology studies as if the observing scientist would be an extraterrestrial alien himself.
I just looked at this thread, my own and other postings for a moment like an extraterrestrial alien and I must tell you that we are looking for me - being an alien for some moments - like a really very, very sick species!
:peep: :rolleye: :b1:

(... and I cannot explain why I like that look ! ... although alone this sentence is worth to be preserved for posterity in eternity:
"... the man who guillotined me twice is now in the process of short drop hanging me ..." ).
;)
I just tried to imagine someone without head to be hanged in a short drop hanging ... :doh: aaaaoooaaah, how will I ever get these pictures out of my head again???
 
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