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holy68

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What kind of crown(with thorn) is more suitable. Crown with long thorn or like rosebush.A lot of twigs and thorn or just a little. I hope to have your view on this because i would like one day to take some pictures with a girl wearing her crown( like Jesus). Thanks in advance.
 
I have wondered what thorns were used, without a lot of success. It had to be a Mediterranean plant, my knowledge of the area is limited to Italy, South of France, & Spain. I found a spiny green plan with inch long spines, it has in the Spring tiny yellow flowers, but the problem is that the lengths of growth just don't seem long enough, twelve to eighteen inches maximum. So to plait that it takes about five or six pieces that are determined not to stay together! Bougainvillea has lots of spines & has nice long lengths, but it snaps too easily. There is a climbing weed that grows up the trees using fronds to cling on, it has leathery leaves, it is thorny & the lengths are very long & flexible, but the thorns are not at all long. Maybe in the Eastern Mediterranean there are other & better plants for this.

I like to think the spines were long, about an inch. This would make the whole thorn-crowning thing much more terrible than mere mocking & discomfort, to drive in long thorns using sticks & cudgels so they penetrate the scalp would cause terrible bleeding & pain. It must have been extremely nasty. So be carefully with your girl. Snipping off all the inwardly facing thorns would be a way of her wearing the crown without any damage but maintaining the nasty look of the thing on her head. Expect bleeding fingers & thumbs when making it as well!
 
Indeed, I saw a discussion on a Christian website some time ago, in which a doctor who specialises in head injuries explained how dangerous (as well as painful) it would be, there are so many blood vessels at the surface of the scalp. Being a fairly arid country, there'd have been no shortage of thorny plants in Judaea, but if the crown were made of the kind of vicious thorns shown in classic paintings of the Crucifixion, it would have been something of a miracle that Jesus survived to be crucified!

However, the word used for Christ's crown, akanthinon, has a pretty general sense of 'something thorny or prickly', so it's possible that, for example, the crown was actually made of leaves of acanthus, which are prickly, like giant holly leaves, and would certainly be painful, but less likely to cause life-threatening bleeding.

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PhilX said:
I have wondered what thorns were used, without a lot of success. It had to be a Mediterranean plant, my knowledge of the area is limited to Italy, South of France, & Spain. I found a spiny green plan with inch long spines, it has in the Spring tiny yellow flowers, but the problem is that the lengths of growth just don't seem long enough, twelve to eighteen inches maximum. So to plait that it takes about five or six pieces that are determined not to stay together! Bougainvillea has lots of spines & has nice long lengths, but it snaps too easily. There is a climbing weed that grows up the trees using fronds to cling on, it has leathery leaves, it is thorny & the lengths are very long & flexible, but the thorns are not at all long. Maybe in the Eastern Mediterranean there are other & better plants for this.

I like to think the spines were long, about an inch. This would make the whole thorn-crowning thing much more terrible than mere mocking & discomfort, to drive in long thorns using sticks & cudgels so they penetrate the scalp would cause terrible bleeding & pain. It must have been extremely nasty. So be carefully with your girl. Snipping off all the inwardly facing thorns would be a way of her wearing the crown without any damage but maintaining the nasty look of the thing on her head. Expect bleeding fingers & thumbs when making it as well!
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Well, thank you very much to have take the time to explain me carefully what to do.@+
 
Eulalia said:
Indeed, I saw a discussion on a Christian website some time ago, in which a doctor who specialises in head injuries explained how dangerous (as well as painful) it would be, there are so many blood vessels at the surface of the scalp. Being a fairly arid country, there'd have been no shortage of thorny plants in Judaea, but if the crown were made of the kind of vicious thorns shown in classic paintings of the Crucifixion, it would have been something of a miracle that Jesus survived to be crucified!

However, the word used for Christ's crown, akanthinon, has a pretty general sense of 'something thorny or prickly', so it's possible that, for example, the crown was actually made of leaves of acanthus, which are prickly, like giant holly leaves, and would certainly be painful, but less likely to cause life-threatening bleeding.

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Thank for your answer.that interesting+
 
Eulalia said:
Indeed, I saw a discussion on a Christian website some time ago, in which a doctor who specialises in head injuries explained how dangerous (as well as painful) it would be, there are so many blood vessels at the surface of the scalp. Being a fairly arid country, there'd have been no shortage of thorny plants in Judaea, but if the crown were made of the kind of vicious thorns shown in classic paintings of the Crucifixion, it would have been something of a miracle that Jesus survived to be crucified!

However, the word used for Christ's crown, akanthinon, has a pretty general sense of 'something thorny or prickly', so it's possible that, for example, the crown was actually made of leaves of acanthus, which are prickly, like giant holly leaves, and would certainly be painful, but less likely to cause life-threatening bleeding.

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Good point & one I had not thought of, the use of prickly leaves instead of thorns. It would also have the mockery of resembling the noble crown of laurels.
 
Also perhaps for a girl a crown with flowers but i like your idea better.
 
Messaline loves to be crucified with a crown of flowers - but even roses have thorns :devil:

The green acanthus leaves in the picture don't look all that vicious,
though they can give you a nasty sting,
and if you've ever handled dry ones, or just dried-up holly leaves,
you soon have wished you had thick gloves on!​
 
if you want agony gow about a crown of barbed wire and brambles when put on my head it would be twisted right round
 
I wondered about nettles long ago when I was musing on group get-togethers somewhere in central Europe for crux weekends (of course arranging such things was more fantasy that practical, as nobody was willing to come along!). I was thinking of safe but unpleasant forms of pre-crux torture & being whipped with nettles seemed a possibility.

In my own self crux sessions, to make the fantasy less linked to anything religious, I devised another form of uncomfortable head adornment, a knotted length of rope that I bound tightly round my head. The knots dug in & I got a headache after a short time.
I thought it not beyond the wit of sadistic Roman soldiers to knot lengths of raw hide & after wetting them bind them round crucifixion victims. heads. As the hide dried it would shrink & the knots would dig deeply into the scalp. Not quite as nasty as thorns but unpleasant enough to cause pain.

Oh, yes, Blackthorn or sloes is a nice spiny bush, but I found it also snapped too easily when bent into a head-sized curve. Getting the right thorns that don't break must have been a tough job for the soldiers at Christ's pre-crux ordeal, it's a wonder he wasn't kept waiting in prison for days whilst they searched around for something that worked! The acanthus leaves idea looks more likely the more I think about it.
 
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PhilX said:
I wondered about nettles long ago when I was musing on group get-togethers somewhere in central Europe for crux weekends (of course arranging such things was more fantasy that practical, as nobody was willing to come along!). I was thinking of safe but unpleasant forms of pre-crux torture & being whipped with nettles seemed a possibility.

In my own self crux sessions, to make the fantasy less linked to anything religious, I devised another form of uncomfortable head adornment, a knotted length of rope that I bound tightly round my head. The knots dug in & I got a headache after a short time.
I thought it not beyond the wit of sadistic Roman soldiers to knot lengths of raw hide & after wetting them bind them round crucifixion victims. heads. As the hide dried it would shrink & the knots would dig deeply into the scalp. Not quite as nasty as thorns but unpleasant enough to cause pain.

Oh, yes, Blackthorn or sloes is a nice spiny bush, but I found it also snapped too easily when bent into a head-sized curve. Getting the right thorns that don't break must have been a tough job for the soldiers at Christ's pre-crux ordeal, it's a wonder he wasn't kept waiting in prison for days whilst they searched around for something that workedd! The acanthus leaves idea looks more likely the more I think about it.
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PhilX said:
I wondered about nettles long ago when I was musing on group get-togethers somewhere in central Europe for crux weekends (of course arranging such things was more fantasy that practical, as nobody was willing to come along!). I was thinking of safe but unpleasant forms of pre-crux torture & being whipped with nettles seemed a possibility.

In my own self crux sessions, to make the fantasy less linked to anything religious, I devised another form of uncomfortable head adornment, a knotted length of rope that I bound tightly round my head. The knots dug in & I got a headache after a short time.
I thought it not beyond the wit of sadistic Roman soldiers to knot lengths of raw hide & after wetting them bind them round crucifixion victims. heads. As the hide dried it would shrink & the knots would dig deeply into the scalp. Not quite as nasty as thorns but unpleasant enough to cause pain.

Oh, yes, Blackthorn or sloes is a nice spiny bush, but I found it also snapped too easily when bent into a head-sized curve. Getting the right thorns that don't break must have been a tough job for the soldiers at Christ's pre-crux ordeal, it's a wonder he wasn't kept waiting in prison for days whilst they searched around for something that worked! The acanthus leaves idea looks more likely the more I think about it.
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rope does work when its wet and knotted and put tightly around your head and because your hands are bound you cant move it its agony when its dry
 
vulcan said:
just brambles then and loads of it around my head and then twisted for agony
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ah, brambles! yes, they I still get excited by them -
as I told in 'Girly Games':
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There was a path on my way home from school that passed through rough woodland, where the bushes grew dense in summer. A gang of boys used to hide in there sometimes and ambush us girls, leaping out with long, prickly bramble-stems and wrapping them round our bodies and legs – it hurt like hell, and if you struggled it only made it much worse, so you were trapped, and they wouldn't let you go until they'd searched your bag and pockets for sweets, crisps or anything else they fancied for 'ransom' and you'd earned your freedom with kisses! You could go round another, longer way to avoid this trap, but if you didn't want to be teased and called a wimp, you just saved up the sweets and crisps your mum had put as treats in your lunchbox, hitched up your skirt, and walked bravely down what we girls called The Martyr's Path! I got 'captured' several times – it didn't upset me, I found it quite exciting, hurrying through the woods wondering if the boys were waiting for me, and when I was their captive they said I was 'good sport', 'cos I always made sure I'd got plenty of 'ransom' for them, and when they'd helped themselves to that I'd kiss them 'properly' to earn my freedom! The sight of brambles when I walk in the woods still sends a shiver up my thighs!​
 
when you lay on the cross you try not to move your head with the crown on but the guards are slapping you around the face causing agony
 
Eulalia said:
Messaline loves to be crucified with a crown of flowers - but even roses have thorns :devil:

The green acanthus leaves in the picture don't look all that vicious,
though they can give you a nasty sting,
and if you've ever handled dry ones, or just dried-up holly leaves,
you soon have wished you had thick gloves on!​
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On the site femaleschrist they use a brush tree with real thorn. I don't know if the girl really suffer.
 
Trevor Barford said:
There's always nettles :)

Trev
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I don't know if that plant is rare. In there productions(femaleschrist) they use brush tree with real thorn. I Wonder if the girl suffer for real!
 
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