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We all know that humiliation is one key aspect of the crucifixion. Probably it does not matter, because you die then anyway, but for the Romans it was a problem also facing death. So better we just consider an exposure and put the rest aside at personal "taste".
I recently learned that the exposure of the glans was a problem for the nude(!) ancient greek athletes and they bound the foreskin with a string to prevent that.
 
I should have added a not at all option, probably you might state that in the discussion, or also when you have an unusual fear, say like: I have no problems showing my asshole, since it has nothing to do with sex, but do not want to show my penis, vagina or breast.
 
When I started dreaming of being crucified I had a loincloth, but with coming in puberty I started to want to be fully exposed in nuditiy. Have to say that I don´t want to die, even when fantasizing being nailed. That makes the nakedess even stronger for me. I think it will be a big shame but also a big arousing for the crucified to be exposed naked to the watching crowd.

There is another thread with similar discussiones: https://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/public-display-yes-or-no.9804/
 
Kathrin said:
There is another thread with similar discussiones: https://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/public-display-yes-or-no.9804/
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Thank you. I am aware of that discussion. I try to go into details. In medieval times also no-nude display on carrot was shameful. I also observed on bathing places, that females hide their breast when changing bikini upper part, the lower with towel, other just the lower part. Some males turn, so they have no problem with the ass, but probably with their water release device.....

The story with the nude ancient athletes with the bidding of the glans is just comical for us.
 
dfg42 said:
I have no problems showing my asshole, since it has nothing to do with sex.
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Perhaps your crucifiers disagree. Imagine them raping your ass before they nail your naked body to the cross...
Kathrin said:
Have to say that I don´t want to die, even when fantasizing being nailed. That makes the nakedess even stronger for me. I think it will be a big shame but also a big arousing for the crucified to be exposed naked to the watching crowd.
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One wonders if Kathrin would find her nakedness arousing as she hangs naked from her cross being lewdly jeered by the crowd that all thinks she deserves to be displayed naked as she suffers her death nailed exposed on the cross...
 
The quote, "I have no problems showing my asshole, since it has nothing to do with sex.", is not of me. Actually, one finds it in the victorian novel "Venus in India", I quoted somewhere else. There an Afghan soldier, or Terrorist rapes anally one of the colonel's daughter and the main actor is happy about that, since he considers that not as rape or sex. Due to my interest in anal sex, I see it somewhat differently and although there is a vegetarian variant from me and the year 2008
so there is not much left for the crucifiers. to "rape",,,,,,



I hardly tried to convince people to make "real sex" pics of that, but that I can not deliver.....

thehangingtree said:
Perhaps your crucifiers disagree. Imagine them raping your ass before they nail your naked body to the cross...

One wonders if Kathrin would find her nakedness arousing as she hangs naked from her cross being lewdly jeered by the crowd that all thinks she deserves to be displayed naked as she suffers her death nailed exposed on the cross...
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At least we might find it arousing to see her.... The question for me is more, does she has problems with "showing" or not.
 
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I thnink, it is necessary to distinguish between what one would allow in RL (including - just to mention for instance - a BDSM club), and in a fantasy. In the latter, my tolerance is much larger than in RL. But has this all to do with a 'shame level'? In a fantasy we 'cherry-pick' on situations that please and excite us, putting aside shame as a feeling. The only shame is, to reveal these fantasies to other people (apart from, e.g., a forum like this).
 
Loxuru said:
I thnink, it is necessary to distinguish between what one would allow in RL (including - just to mention for instance - a BDSM club), and in a fantasy. In the latter, my tolerance is much larger than in RL. But has this all to do with a 'shame level'? In a fantasy we 'cherry-pick' on situations that please and excite us, putting aside shame as a feeling. The only shame is, to reveal these fantasies to other people (apart from, e.g., a forum like this).
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I must find a reason to execute a punishment, so when exposing someone nude on the cross, it must hurt the person in a way and what else then shame hinders one to do an all-time nature actions?
 
Oh, there is really a little bit of the greek/roman taboo not showing the glans in public. It is 8 to 10 (here mines, as one guessed)



Also surprising huge number, also about 10 males and 3 females for showing penetration, so no shame with it. Here my vegetarian variant from 2008, which was lost in above mail.....




I think we can conclude, that indeed exposing the penis troubles some males, probably outside CF more, than here. So it may make sense to say force erection with viagra and cornu and pull back the foreskin of the crucified..... Now we should find a way to humiliate the females, which might attract more people anyway.
 
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dfg42 said:
I must find a reason to execute a punishment, so when exposing someone nude on the cross, it must hurt the person in a way and what else then shame hinders one to do an all-time nature actions?
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The inquiry is too detailed to me. It is not about exposing specifically body parts. It is the whole state of nude exposure that matters.
In RL, shame is a terrible experience. in a fantasy, it is superseded by some sense of exhibitionism, even narcissism. Now, i agree, one cannot eliminate shame completely as a feeling, but part of the psychology of the story is to fight it.
Of course, such will be easier in a story with a group crucifixion (shared nudity = shared embarassment), than with a single execution. hence my preference for group stories.
 
Loxuru said:
The inquiry is too detailed to me. It is not about exposing specifically body parts. It is the whole state of nude exposure that matters.
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It is more, how one defines "nude". Just think of that strange binding the foreskin in the case of greek athletes. So when I write "the athletes were nude ifor the running competition" would for us not discuss if the foreskin is bound or not, for the greek athletes it has the meaning he had to remove that string. Also for the Indonesian native (not all of them just that tribe, I ment) it is not nude to wear a koteka, but we see it that way.

Even the most famous crucifixion event. When I write they put Jesus on the cross, while he is nude. In some times this could mean he is on cross indeed with the loincloth as depicted often.

And finally the last thing if it is for the crucified not a horror to be showed nude, or even penetrated by a cornu, and it seems to be so, then that part of punishment does not work. Also I want to shock and excite the audience, and if for them that is not unusual (saw this on I phone, we did the same last week in the swinger club) we have a problem for the stories....

One can naturally let all the things leaving open and decide the reader what would be showing, but as soon as we picture it, or go into the details, For example I plan to write a new version of the storyline with the abused passion play actor and plan to describe his feelings and how he experience the situation.
 
Loxuru said:
Perhaps they did so for the practical reason to avoid dirt or sand slipping between de foreskin and the gland!?
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Yes, indeed my phimosis was started with a little piece of wood in the foreskin and I guess the circumcision of some in the desert living people (not the Jews) may be due to this fact. As growing male I learned that I had to clean the glans with retraction of the foreskin once a week or every day.... Now I am circumcised, which is better from a hygienical point and it looks much better, well at least I think.
 
dfg42 said:
It is more, how one defines "nude". Just think of that strange binding the foreskin in the case of greek athletes. So when I write "the athletes were nude ifor the running competition" would for us not discuss if the foreskin is bound or not, for the greek athletes it has the meaning he had to remove that string. Also for the Indonesian native (not all of them just that tribe, I ment) it is not nude to wear a koteka, but we see it that way.

Even the most famous crucifixion event. When I write they put Jesus on the cross, while he is nude. In some times this could mean he is on cross indeed with the loincloth as depicted often.

And finally the last thing if it is for the crucified not a horror to be showed nude, or even penetrated by a cornu, and it seems to be so, then that part of punishment does not work. Also I want to shock and excite the audience, and if for them that is not unusual (saw this on I phone, we did the same last week in the swinger club) we have a problem for the stories....

One can naturally let all the things leaving open and decide the reader what would be showing, but as soon as we picture it, or go into the details, For example I plan to write a new version of the storyline with the abused passion play actor and plan to describe his feelings and how he experience the situation.
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It's about context, isn't it. Even in societies where nudity was/is acceptable, there are situations where it would be shameful. Agency is a big part of it, if I present myself on a nude beach then it is my choice and I am among others in the same situation. If I am stripped for some painful public punishment then I have no agency, and I am suffering and exposed to clothed people who are enjoying my humiliation. To see an anal cornu used in a bondage club is one thing, to see it used in a church passion play quite another. Context.
 
phlebas said:
It's about context, isn't it. ........ To see an anal cornu used in a bondage club is one thing, to see it used in a church passion play quite another. Context.
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Naturally to use the cornu in the S/M club to satisfy the own lust is highly despicable and a sin, while showing how Jesus was suffering on the cross, while a huge cornu opens his asshole till he cums, observed by many church members of both sexes, must be an admirable service to the community....... well probably not. Context is important I agree, but my point is that the step showing off nude is always thought to strangers and not in bedroom or closed circles. Indeed when going to a naturist beach one also can be surprised by "colleagues" or "family members" or "friends".
 
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Sonnelom said:
Yet variant to get it orgasm on a cross before crowd. For me this would be shameful
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Hm, interesting... As I told here I am patient of diabetes mellitus and have therefor problems to keep the erection. To have that is in someways shameful. So if I can solve that health problem I would be more than happy to show orgasms (I still have) and long during erections for foreign peoples or a crowd. Before that, say at your age it was also shameful to me, to. But with nudity I never had problems.
 
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