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Hi everyone. I'm looking out for any art depicting the victim hanging dead on the cross.
You won't find them... there are no 'victims'...Hi everyone. I'm looking out for any art depicting the victim hanging dead on the cross.
very nice but they are still not victims...Most of mine are still alive. The following examples show no obvious signs of postmortem discolouration, so they may be merely unconscious.
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He wasn't crucified at CF!!!I'm no expert on art, but isn't Jesus dead on the cross one of the most common images in Western art at least up until the Enlightenment? I could swear that I've seen dozens in churches and museums, not to mention books and web sites. Now Tree may argue he wasn't a victim but that decision is way above my pay grade.
I think that is a very accurate description, Jedakk. A corpse displaying such postmortem discolouration tends to lose out on erotic appeal in my opinion. Most artists seem to have avoided the issue of realism in their depictions of Pietas and Descents from the Cross, although they may have been thinking in terms of the immaculate preservation phenomenon.I always stopped short of showing my crucifixion victims dead on the cross, other than maybe in the distant background. I did give it some thought, up to the point of wondering about the level of rigor lividity for a body hanging like that. I have had the unfortunate experience of seeing what that looks like for a body lying face down; there is a distinct line between the area where the blood has settled and the pale area above. In a crucifixion victim the legs would probably be a dark purple to brown color up to the knee or maybe mid-thigh or so, pale above.
Anyway, it didn't appeal to me so I didn't go any further with it.
I think that is a very accurate description, Jedakk. A corpse displaying such postmortem discolouration tends to lose out on erotic appeal in my opinion. Most artists seem to have avoided the issue of realism in their depictions of Pietas and Descents from the Cross, although they may have been thinking in terms of the immaculate preservation phenomenon.
A few from the Renaissance - when emphasis on the suffering humanity of Christ was a strong motive for realismMost artists seem to have avoided the issue of realism in their depictions of Pietas and Descents from the Cross
A few from the Renaissance - when emphasis on the suffering humanity of Christ was a strong motive for realism
(the first two are Grunewald, from the Isenheim Altarpiece - the crucifixion is of course the well-known centrepiece,
but the triptych also has these scenes of the descent from the Cross and Christ in the tomb) - others are Carracci,
El Greco, Holbein, Jordeans:
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On the Forums we quite often see images of women's breasts swollen till they're purple,
and of course a lot of other bleeding, bruising etc. I think the majority of members,
including me, don't find such images erotic, and would feel the same about
realistic images of bodies at or after death. On the other hand, I must admit I find
quite a lot of crucified women here look a bit too healthy, rosy-cheeked -
I look for realism in facial expressions, bodily contortions,
and even in the first few minutes on the cross (perhaps the most erotic time
to portray us?) we'd already be looking very pale and showing visible signs of stress and shock.
Precisely the examples I've just been searching for, thanks Eul. Sorry, I meant to say they avoided showing the less attractive effects of blood-sinking postmortem discolouration in dead bodies.A few from the Renaissance - when emphasis on the suffering humanity of Christ was a strong motive for realism
(the first two are Grunewald, from the Isenheim Altarpiece - the crucifixion is of course the well-known centrepiece,
but the triptych also has these scenes of the descent from the Cross and Christ in the tomb) - others are Carracci,
El Greco, Holbein, Jordeans:
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On the Forums we quite often see images of women's breasts swollen till they're purple,
and of course a lot of other bleeding, bruising etc. I think the majority of members,
including me, don't find such images erotic, and would feel the same about
realistic images of bodies at or after death. On the other hand, I must admit I find
quite a lot of crucified women here look a bit too healthy, rosy-cheeked -
I look for realism in facial expressions, bodily contortions,
and even in the first few minutes on the cross (perhaps the most erotic time
to portray us?) we'd already be looking very pale and showing visible signs of stress and shock.
I'm 100% with you on that!My interest fades away when my fantasies get to the dying part.
My interest fades away when my fantasies get to the dying part.
I agree, it's hard to capture the mixture of terror, agony and panic that a victim would almost certainly feel, and get that into her expression. Nobody would be prepared for that kind of pain, and the fear of death, fear that death will not come swiftly enough, the horror as she realizes that there is agonizing pain no matter how she moves, that all she can do is trade one kind of agony for another. And then the panic at not being able to get enough air, and learning the price in pain she'll have to pay for just a few minutes or maybe seconds of breath.
I've never been able to really capture that adequately, not well enough to portray what I imagine that it would be like.