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Plantation Plight By Barbaria And Windar

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13. Sheriff John Miller

But, mistreatment or no, slaves had no right to escape. I didn’t make the rules in this world, but those rules are clear-the role of a slave is to bear what their master chooses to impose on them. And my role, as representative of the law, such as it is, is to catch those who abscond, whomever they might belong to

That's why I hated, still hate and will always hate cops... :boaa: Strangely, this story made me reach my limits. Not in terms of what is 'physically' described - it has been very soft so far to my sadistic eyes. But in terms of my 'philosophical acceptance'. What you both are describing is 'just too real' (I didn't say realistic)... Part of a world that we (or even worse - not us but our children) will have to live very soon. I've no problem with historical, fantasy, sci-fi stories... any horror can happen there as far as I'm concerned. But, as I said elsewhere, the 'Amnesty International' part of me is completely uneasy with judicial (or assimilated) corporal punishments...

I'm sorry, I'm quite complicated :( ;)
 
That's why I hated, still hate and will always hate cops... :boaa: Strangely, this story made me reach my limits. Not in terms of what is 'physically' described - it has been very soft so far to my sadistic eyes. But in terms of my 'philosophical acceptance'. What you both are describing is 'just too real' (I didn't say realistic)... Part of a world that we (or even worse - not us but our children) will have to live very soon. I've no problem with historical, fantasy, sci-fi stories... any horror can happen there as far as I'm concerned. But, as I said elsewhere, the 'Amnesty International' part of me is completely uneasy with judicial (or assimilated) corporal punishments...

I'm sorry, I'm quite complicated :( ;)

Yes, I think this story has struck a nerve with others, not just you. But I think good literature and art should sometimes make us uncomfortable.

This story is, by and large, a historically accurate portrayal of slavery (by design) at least as it was practiced in the United States, other than that we made the slave status based on economics rather than race (for a number of reasons). If you saw "12 Years a Slave" then it is clear we are not far from that. The main character, Solomon Northup, lived in the town of Saratoga Springs, NY (a lovely place, I might add), which is not far from where I live. Historians who are expert in the subject say his book was largely accurate.

That isn't to say all slave owners were horrible, sadistic beasts, like Charles and Sarah. Even in the book, Northup's first owner was a decent person, who respected Northup for his skills and treated him as a valued employee. But owners like the second one, Epps, did absolutely exist. Charles and Sarah are not an exaggeration. And any slave whose owner was decent knew that circumstances-death, economic reversal, etc.-could result in him or her being sold to a terrible owner.

So why does this story disturb, when crucifixion, which was at least as awful does not? My guess is that crucifixion was far enough in the past that it lacks the resonance with out lives that real slavery has. Slavery was more recent and happened where some of us live. I often walk my dog along the Hudson River, and archaeologists recently discovered a slave graveyard from the Schuyler family about 100 meters from the path I walk on (and this is New York, not Alabama). Philip Schuyler was a hero of the American Revolution. His daughter married Alexander Hamilton. That's historical fact.

So, I totally understand where you are coming from. Maybe we shouldn't have attempted this story. Maybe we should have fooled around instead with stories about women who want desperately to be crucified (or have deluded themselves that they do). I note, however, that Roman history shows not a single case of anyone volunteering for crucifixion, so those stories are, frankly, bullshit.

Those are some of my thoughts, straight from the heart.

And honestly, shastar, I respect your opinion completely and thank you for bringing that up.
 
Tree: I hope you wouldn't mind taking this post back until we finish discussing the serious issues that shastar has raised and that I responded to. Would you mind?

Your answer was excellent, Windar. I don't want to interrupt the story, which is well-written and has an excellent 'storytelling', so to say. So please go on. I have to go now and won't be able to give out my thoughts until 3-4 hours.

Please don't consider my comments as 'blocking' ! ;)
 
Your answer was excellent, Windar. I don't want to interrupt the story, which is well-written and has an excellent 'storytelling', so to say. So please go on. I have to go now and won't be able to give out my thoughts until 3-4 hours.

Please don't consider my comments as 'blocking' ! ;)

shastar: I don't consider your post blocking at all. What is "blocking", to be honest, are my own thoughts and feelings on this topic, which I expressed above.

Here is what I would really like to do: Continue the story up to the end, BUT, perhaps, in view of the serious nature of the topic, limit the irreverent comments and pictures of some Barb-like model showing her assets. Honest discussion of the story, of course being completely welcome.

And I again I thank you very sincerely for your honest comments. This should be a place where we can discuss openly.
 
Your answer was excellent, Windar. I don't want to interrupt the story, which is well-written and has an excellent 'storytelling', so to say. So please go on. I have to go now and won't be able to give out my thoughts until 3-4 hours.

Please don't consider my comments as 'blocking' ! ;)
shastar: I don't consider your post blocking at all. What is "blocking", to be honest, are my own thoughts and feelings on this topic, which I expressed above.

Here is what I would really like to do: Continue the story up to the end, BUT, perhaps, in view of the serious nature of the topic, limit the irreverent comments and pictures of some Barb-like model showing her assets. Honest discussion of the story, of course being completely welcome.

And I again I thank you very sincerely for your honest comments. This should be a place where we can discuss openly.

This can't be good... I wonder how they will interrogate her???
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suspend 003.jpg Here I am suspended naked from the rafters of a barn, scared shitless about what these guys are going to do to me next. Let's focus on that please, and perhaps move this discussion to a PM thread for those who want to talk about it.
 
That's why I hated, still hate and will always hate cops... :boaa: Strangely, this story made me reach my limits. Not in terms of what is 'physically' described - it has been very soft so far to my sadistic eyes. But in terms of my 'philosophical acceptance'. What you both are describing is 'just too real' (I didn't say realistic)... Part of a world that we (or even worse - not us but our children) will have to live very soon. I've no problem with historical, fantasy, sci-fi stories... any horror can happen there as far as I'm concerned. But, as I said elsewhere, the 'Amnesty International' part of me is completely uneasy with judicial (or assimilated) corporal punishments...

I'm sorry, I'm quite complicated :( ;)

The world we live in is not free of slavery, I'm afraid to say. I feel safe assuming that most of the users of this forum live in the "free" part of the world, the one where a person's right to learn isn't influenced by their gender, their job is mainly dependent on their skills, abilities and, to some extent, luck, rather than skin colour, language, faith or family status. A world, where everyone has a choice in most situations. But reading the news, watching reports from various places around the globe, I can't help but wonder how many places are fundamentally different from what we often take for granted.

The Plantation Plight's prologue pretty much describes any area swallowed by war. There are many such areas around today and while slavery is not openly practiced there - at least as far as reports go, I haven't been to a warzone and have no wish to change that - sometimes a bit of information about disappearing people, very often chidren, comes out in the open. I doubt that they are used at a plantation, but there are other uses for people there. Children being sold and trained as soldiers, as disturbing as it may be, is a well documented fact.

I'm sure I have read about people being captured and forced to work at drug plantations or processing laboratories in South America and other places around the world. Sex slavery - and I don't mean fantasy or real-world BDSM, but people who are actually being forced to provide sexual services for someone;s benefit - is a real enough thing and it can take place right around the corner from anyone reading this. Women tricked into believing they are going to work in agriculture or services and ending up in a brothel doesn't surprise anyone where I live, you simply read about it in a paper and move on to your horoscope... Men also end up being tricked in a similar way, but they usually end up actually doing physical labour for appalling pay or no pay at all, having ended up in another country with their documents being held by their captors. I have read about one such man just this week.

And let us never, and I do mean never, forget about the way the III Reich based its war effort on using some of the nations it conquered as free workforce to use like toilet tissue - keep them working as long as they have any strength, then just get rid of them as efficiently as you can and get some more to replace them. I'm not an historian, but I do like to read on what we, homo sapiens sapiens, have done to ourselves over the centuries. As such, I cannot stop at mentioning Nazi Germany, seeing as identical ideas were developed and perfected at a similar time in another country. I mean the Gulag, the Soviet Union's forced labour camp systems. To me this was by far more disturbing than the Nazis, because the Soviets had time to develop and use the system a long time after world war II was over. It wasn't a war effort, it was a huge part of the economy of a superpower, one that advertised itself as peace and equality loving, based purely on slave labour. And the numbers mentioned by historians are breathtaking, as are the memoirs of people who survived and dared record their thoughts on the subject. And come to think of it, even if the Gulag was only a tiny part of the economy, what would you call an economy which pays its workers in a currency that is worthless (and I do mean worthless, the standard normal Rubbles were not exchangeable, only Comecon ones that were paid to higher-ranking people had any value outside the USSR) and doesn't allow them to travel freely within the borders of their country, not to mention going abroad? Isn't that in itself similar to slavery?

I send anyone, who wishes to ponder the subject of slavery in the not so distand past to "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, who described the whole industry from inside. A fair warning, though - apart from being one of the most thought-provoking books I have ever read, it is also one of the most depressing ones. Simply by showing what our kin are capable of doing to one another and making me think the next time I read a mention of the Russian Federation's (the Soviet Union's legal successor's) penitentiary system, which includes labour camps for unwanted social elements such as feminists organising topless protests (granted that some of which were more than a little controversial) or female fighter pilots from a neighboring country (a country that, by the way, boasts having the geographic centre of Europe within its borders), who dared fight to defend their homeland from a covert invasion aimed at destabilising and annexing a noticeable part of that country...

My point is that however unsettling the Plantation Plight might be, it is a rather important story. It is unsettling simply because it touches a subject that we would rather pretend doesn't exist around us. We treat slavery as something of the distant past, some of us see the risk of it showing its ugly face again, but very few stop to really think about it. And pretending that something doesn't exist doesn't do much good - again, look at history. Not all Germans were Nazis in the early 20-th century, yet most of them seemed not to notice what was going on around the corner. The same applies to many citizens of the countries conquered by the Nazis as well as citizens of the Soviet Union... Looking the other way has rarely done any good. That is why I think any impulse that makes any number of people think about slavery gives us a better chance to avoid it happening, at least on a large scale...
 
The world we live in is not free of slavery, I'm afraid to say. I feel safe assuming that most of the users of this forum live in the "free" part of the world, the one where a person's right to learn isn't influenced by their gender, their job is mainly dependent on their skills, abilities and, to some extent, luck, rather than skin colour, language, faith or family status. A world, where everyone has a choice in most situations. But reading the news, watching reports from various places around the globe, I can't help but wonder how many places are fundamentally different from what we often take for granted.

The Plantation Plight's prologue pretty much describes any area swallowed by war. There are many such areas around today and while slavery is not openly practiced there - at least as far as reports go, I haven't been to a warzone and have no wish to change that - sometimes a bit of information about disappearing people, very often chidren, comes out in the open. I doubt that they are used at a plantation, but there are other uses for people there. Children being sold and trained as soldiers, as disturbing as it may be, is a well documented fact.

I'm sure I have read about people being captured and forced to work at drug plantations or processing laboratories in South America and other places around the world. Sex slavery - and I don't mean fantasy or real-world BDSM, but people who are actually being forced to provide sexual services for someone;s benefit - is a real enough thing and it can take place right around the corner from anyone reading this. Women tricked into believing they are going to work in agriculture or services and ending up in a brothel doesn't surprise anyone where I live, you simply read about it in a paper and move on to your horoscope... Men also end up being tricked in a similar way, but they usually end up actually doing physical labour for appalling pay or no pay at all, having ended up in another country with their documents being held by their captors. I have read about one such man just this week.

And let us never, and I do mean never, forget about the way the III Reich based its war effort on using some of the nations it conquered as free workforce to use like toilet tissue - keep them working as long as they have any strength, then just get rid of them as efficiently as you can and get some more to replace them. I'm not an historian, but I do like to read on what we, homo sapiens sapiens, have done to ourselves over the centuries. As such, I cannot stop at mentioning Nazi Germany, seeing as identical ideas were developed and perfected at a similar time in another country. I mean the Gulag, the Soviet Union's forced labour camp systems. To me this was by far more disturbing than the Nazis, because the Soviets had time to develop and use the system a long time after world war II was over. It wasn't a war effort, it was a huge part of the economy of a superpower, one that advertised itself as peace and equality loving, based purely on slave labour. And the numbers mentioned by historians are breathtaking, as are the memoirs of people who survived and dared record their thoughts on the subject. And come to think of it, even if the Gulag was only a tiny part of the economy, what would you call an economy which pays its workers in a currency that is worthless (and I do mean worthless, the standard normal Rubbles were not exchangeable, only Comecon ones that were paid to higher-ranking people had any value outside the USSR) and doesn't allow them to travel freely within the borders of their country, not to mention going abroad? Isn't that in itself similar to slavery?

I send anyone, who wishes to ponder the subject of slavery in the not so distand past to "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, who described the whole industry from inside. A fair warning, though - apart from being one of the most thought-provoking books I have ever read, it is also one of the most depressing ones. Simply by showing what our kin are capable of doing to one another and making me think the next time I read a mention of the Russian Federation's (the Soviet Union's legal successor's) penitentiary system, which includes labour camps for unwanted social elements such as feminists organising topless protests (granted that some of which were more than a little controversial) or female fighter pilots from a neighboring country (a country that, by the way, boasts having the geographic centre of Europe within its borders), who dared fight to defend their homeland from a covert invasion aimed at destabilising and annexing a noticeable part of that country...

My point is that however unsettling the Plantation Plight might be, it is a rather important story. It is unsettling simply because it touches a subject that we would rather pretend doesn't exist around us. We treat slavery as something of the distant past, some of us see the risk of it showing its ugly face again, but very few stop to really think about it. And pretending that something doesn't exist doesn't do much good - again, look at history. Not all Germans were Nazis in the early 20-th century, yet most of them seemed not to notice what was going on around the corner. The same applies to many citizens of the countries conquered by the Nazis as well as citizens of the Soviet Union... Looking the other way has rarely done any good. That is why I think any impulse that makes any number of people think about slavery gives us a better chance to avoid it happening, at least on a large scale...

Calf, why did you hide in the shadows for so long? I could have written that - but not with such natural elegance. Even your conclusion pleases me, and I mean - A LOT. The problem is... we're not supposed to be here to discuss philosopical issues, apart from the threads reserved to that. We're here to share sexual desires, whatever crazy they might be. My problem was (is) that my (assumed) desires and philosophical options crashes when the story comes to appeal more to my 'sapiens brains' than to my reptilian one.

Again, this should NEVER stop or influence the story in any way. I didn't intend that at all, I just gave an opinion to people I felt I could freely exchange ideas with. I was rewarded by their thoughful and kind comments. Any further 'philosophical ' comment will now go on PM, and of course everybody is welcome to talk with me about what happened here...
 
Calf, why did you hide in the shadows for so long? I could have written that - but not with such natural elegance. Even your conclusion pleases me, and I mean - A LOT. The problem is... we're not supposed to be here to discuss philosopical issues, apart from the threads reserved to that. We're here to share sexual desires, whatever crazy they might be. My problem was (is) that my (assumed) desires and philosophical options crashes when the story comes to appeal more to my 'sapiens brains' than to my reptilian one.

Again, this should NEVER stop or influence the story in any way. I didn't intend that at all, I just gave an opinion to people I felt I could freely exchange ideas with. I was rewarded by their thoughful and kind comments. Any further 'philosophical ' comment will now go on PM, and of course everybody is welcome to talk with me about what happened here...

calf is an amazing writer and an amazing person. English isn't her first language, yet she writes better than 99% of those for whom it is.
 
Yes, I think this story has struck a nerve with others, not just you. But I think good literature and art should sometimes make us uncomfortable.

This story is, by and large, a historically accurate portrayal of slavery (by design) at least as it was practiced in the United States, other than that we made the slave status based on economics rather than race (for a number of reasons). If you saw "12 Years a Slave" then it is clear we are not far from that. The main character, Solomon Northup, lived in the town of Saratoga Springs, NY (a lovely place, I might add), which is not far from where I live. Historians who are expert in the subject say his book was largely accurate.

That isn't to say all slave owners were horrible, sadistic beasts, like Charles and Sarah. Even in the book, Northup's first owner was a decent person, who respected Northup for his skills and treated him as a valued employee. But owners like the second one, Epps, did absolutely exist. Charles and Sarah are not an exaggeration. And any slave whose owner was decent knew that circumstances-death, economic reversal, etc.-could result in him or her being sold to a terrible owner.

It's a very complex subject - not (begging pardon) a black and white question. Of course, plantation slavery and the Atlantic trade were appalling abuses, as have been and are too many other atrocities rightly mentioned by Calf #15. Yet, for much of human history, for many people, slavery has been the least worst option, it allowed at least a hope of getting fed, clothed, housed and kept fit enough to work, with luck even reasonably humane owners.

Is life in the capitalist 'free' labour market so different? As Adam Smith pointed out, 'the work done by a free man is, in the end, cheaper (my emphasis) than that done by a slave.' Canny plantation-owners were quick to cotton on (begging pardon again), set the slaves free so they could compete for their jobs in the capitalist labour market. Dumber red-necked ones took rather more persuading. Of course I'm not saying it was wrong to end the slave-trade and slave-owning, but I do wonder whether the poorest people in the labour markets even in the USA and the West, never mind the rest of the world, are really better off (not just financially, but in quality of life) than the more fortunate slaves with reasonably decent owners.

So, I totally understand where you are coming from. Maybe we shouldn't have attempted this story. Maybe we should have fooled around instead with stories about women who want desperately to be crucified (or have deluded themselves that they do). I note, however, that Roman history shows not a single case of anyone volunteering for crucifixion, so those stories are, frankly, bullshit.

Of course we do have fun and fantasy around crucifixion here on the Forums. but we have some pretty serious and thought-provoking treatments of crucifixion - what it meant, how it was experienced - in the Roman world and other ancient and exotic settings too.

I note, however, that Roman history shows not a single case of anyone volunteering for crucifixion

wasn't there a Jewish guy in Palestine who pretty well lined himself up to be crucified? ;) :p

seriously, while stories of Christian martyrdom were certainly 'sexed up' as time went on,
there can be no doubt early Christian men and women consciously and deliberately acted in ways
that they knew could result in martyrdom, some - probably most - avoided unnecessary risks,
others - probably always a minority - deliberately provoked their persecutors.
 
Again, this should NEVER stop or influence the story in any way. I didn't intend that at all, I just gave an opinion to people I felt I could freely exchange ideas with. I was rewarded by their thoughful and kind comments. Any further 'philosophical ' comment will now go on PM, and of course everybody is welcome to talk with me about what happened here...

I'm delighted this fine story has prompted a serious discussion. I'm consulting Barb and Windar, obviously it's their story and I don't want them to feel it's being derailed, but I certainly wouldn't want to discourage thoughtful and thought-provoking comments like yours, Shastar, or the intelligent debate that's followed from your post.
 
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seriously, while stories of Christian martyrdom were certainly 'sexed up' as time went on,
there can be no doubt early Christian men and women consciously and deliberately acted in ways
that they knew could result in martyrdom, some - probably most - avoided unnecessary risks,
others - probably always a minority - deliberately provoked their persecutors.

Yes martyrs volunteered for their fate, but for ideological, not erotic purposes (at least as a rule). Ghandi and MLK went to jail for their beliefs and didn't regret it, but there is no evidence they ENJOYED the experience or would have done it just to while away a boring weekend.
 
As for the story, have no fear that we are ready to proceed. Barb, as she noted, was left hanging and tomorrow the Sheriff and his deputies will return from lunch and they really do want to know where Pat is and Barb doesn't want to tell them. That may turn out poorly for Barb.;)
 
The world we live in is not free of slavery, I'm afraid to say. I feel safe assuming that most of the users of this forum live in the "free" part of the world, the one where a person's right to learn isn't influenced by their gender, their job is mainly dependent on their skills, abilities and, to some extent, luck, rather than skin colour, language, faith or family status. A world, where everyone has a choice in most situations. But reading the news, watching reports from various places around the globe, I can't help but wonder how many places are fundamentally different from what we often take for granted.

The Plantation Plight's prologue pretty much describes any area swallowed by war. There are many such areas around today and while slavery is not openly practiced there - at least as far as reports go, I haven't been to a warzone and have no wish to change that - sometimes a bit of information about disappearing people, very often chidren, comes out in the open. I doubt that they are used at a plantation, but there are other uses for people there. Children being sold and trained as soldiers, as disturbing as it may be, is a well documented fact.

I'm sure I have read about people being captured and forced to work at drug plantations or processing laboratories in South America and other places around the world. Sex slavery - and I don't mean fantasy or real-world BDSM, but people who are actually being forced to provide sexual services for someone;s benefit - is a real enough thing and it can take place right around the corner from anyone reading this. Women tricked into believing they are going to work in agriculture or services and ending up in a brothel doesn't surprise anyone where I live, you simply read about it in a paper and move on to your horoscope... Men also end up being tricked in a similar way, but they usually end up actually doing physical labour for appalling pay or no pay at all, having ended up in another country with their documents being held by their captors. I have read about one such man just this week.

And let us never, and I do mean never, forget about the way the III Reich based its war effort on using some of the nations it conquered as free workforce to use like toilet tissue - keep them working as long as they have any strength, then just get rid of them as efficiently as you can and get some more to replace them. I'm not an historian, but I do like to read on what we, homo sapiens sapiens, have done to ourselves over the centuries. As such, I cannot stop at mentioning Nazi Germany, seeing as identical ideas were developed and perfected at a similar time in another country. I mean the Gulag, the Soviet Union's forced labour camp systems. To me this was by far more disturbing than the Nazis, because the Soviets had time to develop and use the system a long time after world war II was over. It wasn't a war effort, it was a huge part of the economy of a superpower, one that advertised itself as peace and equality loving, based purely on slave labour. And the numbers mentioned by historians are breathtaking, as are the memoirs of people who survived and dared record their thoughts on the subject. And come to think of it, even if the Gulag was only a tiny part of the economy, what would you call an economy which pays its workers in a currency that is worthless (and I do mean worthless, the standard normal Rubbles were not exchangeable, only Comecon ones that were paid to higher-ranking people had any value outside the USSR) and doesn't allow them to travel freely within the borders of their country, not to mention going abroad? Isn't that in itself similar to slavery?

I send anyone, who wishes to ponder the subject of slavery in the not so distand past to "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, who described the whole industry from inside. A fair warning, though - apart from being one of the most thought-provoking books I have ever read, it is also one of the most depressing ones. Simply by showing what our kin are capable of doing to one another and making me think the next time I read a mention of the Russian Federation's (the Soviet Union's legal successor's) penitentiary system, which includes labour camps for unwanted social elements such as feminists organising topless protests (granted that some of which were more than a little controversial) or female fighter pilots from a neighboring country (a country that, by the way, boasts having the geographic centre of Europe within its borders), who dared fight to defend their homeland from a covert invasion aimed at destabilising and annexing a noticeable part of that country...

My point is that however unsettling the Plantation Plight might be, it is a rather important story. It is unsettling simply because it touches a subject that we would rather pretend doesn't exist around us. We treat slavery as something of the distant past, some of us see the risk of it showing its ugly face again, but very few stop to really think about it. And pretending that something doesn't exist doesn't do much good - again, look at history. Not all Germans were Nazis in the early 20-th century, yet most of them seemed not to notice what was going on around the corner. The same applies to many citizens of the countries conquered by the Nazis as well as citizens of the Soviet Union... Looking the other way has rarely done any good. That is why I think any impulse that makes any number of people think about slavery gives us a better chance to avoid it happening, at least on a large scale...

Thoughtful and all encompassing treatment ... wow ... what a read! Thanks so much Calf for writing and posting this here!
 
I'm delighted this fine story has prompted a serious discussion. I'm consulting Barb and Windar, obviously it's their story and I don't want them to feel it's being derailed, but I certainly wouldn't want to discourage thoughtful and thought-provoking comments like yours, Shastar, or the intelligent debate that's followed from your post.

Yes, I agree with Eul here ... I admit I was fearful at first that this might degenerate into another politicized debate ... I am so worn down by those surrounding the U.S. election, but it's not that at all ... rather it is truly thought-provoking and intelligent. So on with the story and everyone weigh in with your thoughts and reactions as you see fit! Episode 15 due out tomorrow morning eastern U.S. time.
 
Yes martyrs volunteered for their fate, but for ideological, not erotic purposes (at least as a rule). Ghandi and MLK went to jail for their beliefs and didn't regret it, but there is no evidence they ENJOYED the experience or would have done it just to while away a boring weekend.

Don't forget Nelson Mandela and the whole bunch of 'freedom fighters' who disappeared since a small group of deviant chimpanzees decided they knew what was better for their tribe... ;)

Time out, now... Barb and Windar, please go on...
 
Yes, it's much closer to home than we might want to think.
Considering the Eastern bloc... forced labor was also used in the manufacture of products exported for hard currency to the West (which was more than most people today remember).
Some people might still recall the IKEA company's recent admissions with regard to using forced labor of political prisoners in the 70's and 80's.
Work conditions in many places that deliver the objects of desire for the globalized economy (like shiny smartphones...) give new meaning to the term 'special economic zone'.

And when it comes to full-blown slavery, with sales and all,
while slavery is not openly practiced there
let's not forget that slavery actually is openly and brazenly practiced in the territory of the Islamic State.
Including precise legal stipulations codifying the practice, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/islamic-state-rape-fatwa_us_568237e7e4b0b958f65a55ae

On the other hand I'd also not be entirely surprised if slavery existed as close as a few miles from where I live, in covert form, enabled by well-meaning but counterproductive legislation.

Personally I have nothing against touching on topics in a somewhat more serious way. I don't find the subject matter here offensive at all; it's always difficult to find a balance between storytelling that's on the one hand convincing, and on the other, umm, follows certain conventions, and the only part of the story here that had me thinking 'no way' was an unrealistic one, not anything that was 'too real'.

And while we can say, Roman slavery and crucifixion is 'safe' to write about, because it's the distantly removed past...
This story takes place approximately a century from now. Industrial civilization was destroyed by a nuclear war brought on by human greed and stupidity
That's of course a tabula rasa, and we don't have to face the challenge of considering a continuity from our society to this.
Compare this setting to the ending of 'Threads', the 1984 film, and it's nearly utopic.

Probably it would be a lot more unsettling if we left out the nuclear war, and imagined how, step by step, our "free world" might devolve into one where extreme punishments and subjugations are considered self-evidently appropriate once more, which is not as impossible as it seems, given the tendency to dehumanize parts of the population that have become evident on both sides of the traditional political spectrum.
 
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