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Crucified males
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cruxme51
Guard
Wow!!! Great work. I always enjoy your manips. Based on his facial expression the guy on the right should have an erection and shooting his load in front of the crowd. Just saying. Definitely agree that this is what a real crucifixion would look like. If someone would just make a video like this.
PhilX
Governor
There would never be a crucifixion filmed like that if it is linked to the death of Christ. Too many problems with it offending. But there is no reason for such a scenario being done in a film set in ancient Rome as male nudity is no longer a taboo in movies. Unfortunately several dramas have already missed a trick here.
Jack Staley
Magistrate
One of the most realistic crucifixions I've seen, in fact I almost believe this is real. How was this done, part of a movie, with a minor manipulation to add the private parts? Or, is it real. I am "bating" here in suspense.
Ulf Bernstein
Assistant executioner
!! nice work
Wow Tygorn, thanks for the image. i remember seeing that and couldn:t find it. Now I know where it comes from so thanks. I remember another comic book style of story about Jesus. The crucifixion also showed that position, completely nude. The drawing is not as detailed as the one you posted though. I remember reading it first as young boy in my church's shop and umm being aroused.. feel so conflicted by then! I wish I could have bought it then.
BTW, has anyone seen this new movie: La Espina de Dios. THe trailer in youtube look amazing. Looks like classic Jesus movie, with good budget. Really interested to get a hold of it. But all the shop that sold it only in Spanish (?)
PhilX
Governor
After making those two images, which I did borrow the scene from the Risen movie, I realise even more how horrible crucifixion really was. The movie images were pretty good to start with, getting back to the accuracy of nakedness just brings home with a bang the cruelty of Roman justice. So much art has tended to prettify the whole thing.
Actually a new biopic of the the Bible account, daring enough to show more accuracy, would certainly convince people the terrible ordeal that Christ had to suffer. It would create more sympathy to that than ever Mel's over-the-top film did, overdone gore doesn't exactly convey suffering, one just gets kind of used to that after an hour, the psychological trauma & squalid nastiness would be far more poignant.
Actually a new biopic of the the Bible account, daring enough to show more accuracy, would certainly convince people the terrible ordeal that Christ had to suffer. It would create more sympathy to that than ever Mel's over-the-top film did, overdone gore doesn't exactly convey suffering, one just gets kind of used to that after an hour, the psychological trauma & squalid nastiness would be far more poignant.
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Wow, those are very realistic photoshop PhilX. Bravo again. I have not yet watched this Risen movie so I couldnt even tell it was photoshopped and for a brief moment hoping finally someone dared enough to make fully nude crucifixion movie. Yes, I too long the day when someone with enough budget finally brave enough to make proper passion movie with its full extent of suffering and humiliation (i.e. nudity). I sometimes wondered if Last Temptation of Christ movies did not cause so much controversies and made more money whether it inspires other to make more daring crucifixion movie. For now, well, we just have to rely in our imagination and creative artists such as you
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Ulf Bernstein
Assistant executioner
Finally after 2 months, was able to be crucified again. I tried to add nails to my hands and feet but didn't like the result ><.
Tygorn
Magistrate
I cant remember where I did read that, but it was an interesting article on the net about "nakedness in ancient times" and how we look upon it today - the conclusion was, that in Greco/Roman ancient times nakedness was far more common and "natural" than we think today - not only because of the climate, but for tradition. The Romans borrowed many ancient traditions from the Greeks. Starting with sports/exercises in nakedness n the "school" (gymnasium), to theaters, hard labour in corporeal work in nakedness (not only for slaves), to the arena, to the orgy... and so on.
So I think the nakedness of a victim when it came to punishment/torture/execution was not exactly unusual. Regarding the crucifixion of Jesus many scholars set their focus on the special "jewish traditions", even Pilate and the Romans could not overcome, and their "teaching against nakedness" and argue, that may be the reason why Jesus (and other victims) would have been granted a loincloth to cover the nakedness, when he was crucified near Jerusalem. I am not sure about this.
I think, to feel ashamed when being confronted with nakedness is a newer phenomenon that is closely connected to the upcoming rule of christian religion and their "moral teachings" over the centuries dominating after the Roman empire. But that happened after Jesus execution and even we, in modern times, are still under that influence and it is internalized, that nudity is something ... improper to "show" - a rule, thats now permanently present in art, movies, depictions of all kind - despite all "liberalism" we have today.
Tygorn
Magistrate
Very hot - you have really a perfect body for the cross. Incredible, how you maintain this "classic" position without footrest or sedile. I just imagine how the Roman executioner is now standing there, feels for the right space between the bones of your toes, sets the rough, long, third spike at your skin and drives the sharp iron through your crossed feet into the wood with some heavy blows of his mallet....
Is there any special reason for not wearing your "traditional loincloth" this time - did more fit for a "crucified slave", doesnt it?
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Ty.
PhilX
Governor
I recently wrote an account in the words of the centurion in charge of the Good Friday crucifixions.
It seems common currency that in Palestine the Romans allowed the covering up of crucified victims to appease the Judaic laws on the taboo of nakedness. This in my story was done just to keep the peace.
So when crucified there the criminal was allowed their subligaculum or loincloth or whatever they had as underwear. But in my story Pilate was so incensed by the priests & local dignitaries telling him what to do by overturning his sentence of just a scourging for Christ, that he was intent on causing them & the rest of the people of Jerusalem the offence of ordering Jesus to be uniquely crucified in the way it was done in Rome, i.e., totally naked. This almost caused a riot & the whole scene was one of tense anger. The centurion was uneasy about what he had to do but it was his orders so he had to carry it out.
I was not going to post the story here because it could cause offence because it had the Christian link (which I stress my images above do not). But I cannot now anyway, unfortunately the file will not open so I will have to rewrite it.
It seems common currency that in Palestine the Romans allowed the covering up of crucified victims to appease the Judaic laws on the taboo of nakedness. This in my story was done just to keep the peace.
So when crucified there the criminal was allowed their subligaculum or loincloth or whatever they had as underwear. But in my story Pilate was so incensed by the priests & local dignitaries telling him what to do by overturning his sentence of just a scourging for Christ, that he was intent on causing them & the rest of the people of Jerusalem the offence of ordering Jesus to be uniquely crucified in the way it was done in Rome, i.e., totally naked. This almost caused a riot & the whole scene was one of tense anger. The centurion was uneasy about what he had to do but it was his orders so he had to carry it out.
I was not going to post the story here because it could cause offence because it had the Christian link (which I stress my images above do not). But I cannot now anyway, unfortunately the file will not open so I will have to rewrite it.
Balti
Assistant executioner
This is a fantasy forum I think we don't offend anyone by posting stories about nude condemned executed ... And as Tygorn said to be naked in ancient times was not an uncommon way to live. And the images posted with the 3 ppl executed naked was in fact a vision of the author about 3 slaves or condemned ppl not about Jesus. In fact I dont think that Jesus minded about being crucified naked because He would have done anything that was the Father`s Will. The fact that some ppl made social rules in order to make ppl feel ashamed about they being naked is another issue. It is about control, about the religion and church organisation after Jesus time. I really don't think that someone in our times can understand the society in those times ... at least we try to. And nakedness in our times is an ashamed value because of 2000 years of what Roman`s called " repetitio mater studiorum" " repetition is mother of study - from the part of the church. It is also well known that in Medieval times they tortured the ppl naked, and raped and even executed them naked as often as they could. The human nature was not changed by the "social values" even in 2000 years, it was just a way to control the ppl.
jesus
Spectator
Ich würde dich gern live treffen. Lass mal hören, wann du Zeit hast und wo wir uns treffen könnten
Tricia
Governor
I’m not so sure I can agree with your whole statement about “nakedness in Ancient times” and the correlation with crucifixion. Today, people frequent beaches and wear next to nothing or go to nude or topless beaches etc.
However, in my opinion if those same people were brought into a court, stripped naked and whipped in front of their whole community, forced to carry a cross naked through their town and then displayed bare on a cross in the middle of a busy intersection, they may not feel the same about their nudity. At least I wouldn’t.
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Deleted member jedakk
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Most everyone I know in real life would be mortified to be displayed naked. It would be a very humiliating aspect of crucifixion to them if they were stripped naked in front of a crowd, psychologically maybe right up there with being nailed to the cross. I realize that many here wouldn't feel that way, are proud of their bodies and want to show them off, etc., but it's all a matter of culture and what people were raised to believe.
And obviously, humiliation from nakedness in front of others is contextual. A woman who would wear a thong bikini on a beach where others are wearing very little might be embarrassed if she were forced to wear it into a busy supermarket (except for Walmart, where people will wear anything).
Which brings up a question that has been discussed before, I know: If a woman feels humiliation and shame at being stripped naked prior to her crucifixion, would she feel less humiliated if she were part of a group of three or more women, all of them stripped naked and about to be crucified?
What if she were being crucified in a group of three, along with two men, and they were all stripped naked? Would that be less humiliating to her, or perhaps even more humiliating due to the contrast of her female body alongside the two males?
What if she has to stand there naked, watching the others who were also naked, as they are nailed to their crosses and raised, and she sees how they writhe and twist without regard to the display of their naked bodies that they are giving the crowd; would that make her want to do things to avoid having them see her like that? Try to keep her legs together, try not to writhe and twist so much? Perhaps I'll include that aspect in a story sometime, hmmm...
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
I agree! The role of context is very important. I use to say that crucifixion fantasy is a 'social event'. It is not only about the technical execution, but about the social interaction between condemned, in the state they are, including their nakedness being publically displayed and the onlookers and the officials and also mutually between the condemned. The 'worst' possible option from that viewpoint is getting crucified alone on a desert Island.