Crucified males

[frost]

Hi. Wanting to share pics from my last session (January). Would have preferred to wear a loincloth after seeing the pics. Hoping next session to happen next month.
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The new photos are fantastic, Ulf! Since I prefer crucifixions in a modern setting, the use of a jockstrap instead of a loincloth doesn't trouble me at all.

I especially like the side views. I think this is the first time your photos have really shown the stomach pulled in under the rib cage, as we'd expect to see when the body is hanging from the arms. This is a problem with so many of the Passion-play videos and stills that we've seen here: the supposedly crucified person is actually standing on a platform, so he's holding himself up with his legs and not suspended by his arms at all. In the worst of these, the elbows are bent, and it's clear that the arms aren't carrying any of his weight.

A little trouble with the focus on one of the two side views, 474276: the end of the near arm of the cross is in sharp focus, but the body is slightly blurred. If you can use a smaller aperture (larger F-stop), you'll get more depth of field, and you might be able to get everything in focus. That might require brighter light. However, it might be that you could use a longer exposure time to buy a smaller aperture.

 

[phlebas]

Hi. Wanting to share pics from my last session (January). Would have preferred to wear a loincloth after seeing the pics. Hoping next session to happen next month.

Great work, loincloth or not. The jockstrap leaves little to the imagination, although my preference is always for the clean unclothed look. Your previous loincloths have been remarkable, too.

I especially like the side views. I think this is the first time your photos have really shown the stomach pulled in under the rib cage, as we'd expect to see when the body is hanging from the arms. This is a problem with so many of the Passion-play videos and stills that we've seen here: the supposedly crucified person is actually standing on a platform, so he's holding himself up with his legs and not suspended by his arms at all. In the worst of these, the elbows are bent, and it's clear that the arms aren't carrying any of his weight.

Absolutely. At its best crux is about suspension, and some tension in the arms, shoulders and torso really transforms a crux pose, bringing out the best in a figure, giving it a sense of drama lacking in the "arms loose to the side, standing up" type pose. I agree with all that Frost says.

I do look forward to your next session, do please share it with us. Keep up the good work!
Maybe even consider going for the full effect ?

 

[Tygorn]

I completely agree about this credibility-"problem" in 99% of all crucifixion-depictions in traditional passion-plays suffering from the actors "standing" on these platforms instead of "hanging" on the cross.

Well, considering that most passion-plays are somehow "amateur"-productions and the "amateur"-actors do not really want to risk hurting themselves, it is understandable - and the more elaborated methods creating the crucifixion illusion, for example in Hollywood bible/Jesus-movies like harnesses beneath the loincloth, are not affordable or impossible to realize in cheaper play-setups.
After all, we may not forget, these plays are not about BDSM, but for "religous inspiration" - even if they serve "other purposes" regarding our "special interest", too...

But sometimes, very rarely, you find stuff about passion plays where I wondered "wow, how did they do that?" or "does it not hurt?" - for example these oldies about boys playing the "thieves" in a traditional passion-play are already 10 years old, but I am still wondering, with bent knees, feet flat against the wood (it seems not to be possible to "stand" on these tiny footrests) and spread arms, how they suffered in this set-up? It may be possible, they used some type of (hidden) sedile, the picture quality is too bad to see that, but nevertheless - this is a style I wish more plays would make use of that....

best regards
Ty.

 

[Cruxpassion]

Thanks for sharing these great new pictures Ulf!
Very much looking forward to further ones.

Tygorn:
These passion play pictures are very interesting. Have never seen them before and fully agree with you that the crucifixions and positions of the boys on their crosses are very well executed! Looks very realistic which is fairly unusual for passion plays.

 

[Ulf Bernstein]

Great work, loincloth or not. The jockstrap leaves little to the imagination, although my preference is always for the clean unclothed look. Your previous loincloths have been remarkable, too.

Absolutely. At its best crux is about suspension, and some tension in the arms, shoulders and torso really transforms a crux pose, bringing out the best in a figure, giving it a sense of drama lacking in the "arms loose to the side, standing up" type pose. I agree with all that Frost says.

I do look forward to your next session, do please share it with us. Keep up the good work!
Maybe even consider going for the full effect ?

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I attached a removable sloped footrest for my cross as you can see in the three first pics of this page. I wanted to hang only by wrists but with a little help. I wasn't able to reach 10 minutes hanging that way. I tried this after hanging by close to 40 minutes tho. Definitely need leather specialized stuff for that.

 

[frost]

I completely agree about this credibility-"problem" in 99% of all crucifixion-depictions in traditional passion-plays suffering from the actors "standing" on these platforms instead of "hanging" on the cross.

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Amazing! If only there'd been higher image resolution, more photos, and less loincloth, especially on the young robber with the longer hair, whose photos I'm studying closely—purely for scientific reasons, of course.

Looks like he's got his hands clenched, and in the second of the two photos that I'm quoting here (474604), the tendon on the left wrist appears to be standing out. This leads me to believe that he's tightly gripping some kind of loop or handle, possibly flesh-and-blood-colored so it won't be readily visible. However, with the arms at about a 45° angle to the horizontal, each arm would have to hold the equivalent of about 70% of the body weight, which would be difficult to maintain for very long.

He might be getting some support from the legs, if the feet are strapped firmly enough to the footrest. However, I'd think that if he were holding much of his weight with his knees bent like that, then we'd see the quadriceps muscle standing out above the knee, and neither picture seems to show that.

The abdominal muscles are really standing out in both pictures, and his shoulders and thighs aren't so developed that I think he'd show that "six-pack" appearance with his stomach relaxed. I can't think of how clenched stomach muscles might contribute to his support, though.

If there's some kind of sedile, it's well concealed. I'm looking at the way the loincloth hangs behind the left leg, and it doesn't appear to be draped over anything on the upright.

 

[Madiosi]

I completely agree about this credibility-"problem" in 99% of all crucifixion-depictions in traditional passion-plays suffering from the actors "standing" on these platforms instead of "hanging" on the cross.

Well, considering that most passion-plays are somehow "amateur"-productions and the "amateur"-actors do not really want to risk hurting themselves, it is understandable - and the more elaborated methods creating the crucifixion illusion, for example in Hollywood bible/Jesus-movies like harnesses beneath the loincloth, are not affordable or impossible to realize in cheaper play-setups.
After all, we may not forget, these plays are not about BDSM, but for "religous inspiration" - even if they serve "other purposes" regarding our "special interest", too...

But sometimes, very rarely, you find stuff about passion plays where I wondered "wow, how did they do that?" or "does it not hurt?" - for example these oldies about boys playing the "thieves" in a traditional passion-play are already 10 years old, but I am still wondering, with bent knees, feet flat against the wood (it seems not to be possible to "stand" on these tiny footrests) and spread arms, how they suffered in this set-up? It may be possible, they used some type of (hidden) sedile, the picture quality is too bad to see that, but nevertheless - this is a style I wish more plays would make use of that....

best regards
Ty.

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Brave boys. And only fixed-hold on handles. In the last picture, i think under the cloth is hidden a sedile.

 

[Tygorn]

Thank you for your feedback.
I see, here are really specialists in this discussion ...

If you like this series so much, I am providing the rest (three) of it, too.
Yes, I am sorry about the bad quality - but I could not do anything about it, ten years ago I found these only in this bad quality. I remember when I posted them over there at our yahoo-"brother"-group, other fans also complained, because they also wanted it in better quality.
To be honest, I believe in the sedile-theory, too. Maybe others can recognize more "details" in the remaining pics about it.

 

[Madiosi]

Thank you for your feedback.
I see, here are really specialists in this discussion ...

If you like this series so much, I am providing the rest (three) of it, too.
Yes, I am sorry about the bad quality - but I could not do anything about it, ten years ago I found these only in this bad quality. I remember when I posted them over there at our yahoo-"brother"-group, other fans also complained, because they also wanted it in better quality.
To be honest, I believe in the sedile-theory, too. Maybe others can recognize more "details" in the remaining pics about it.

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Thank you for posting the other pictures. We hope on a repeating with sharp eyed photographer's and modern high-resolution equipment.

 

[frost]

He might be getting some support from the legs, if the feet are strapped firmly enough to the footrest. However, I'd think that if he were holding much of his weight with his knees bent like that, then we'd see the quadriceps muscle standing out above the knee, and neither picture seems to show that.

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Looking at this photo again, I think I was mistaken. The quadriceps in the right thigh is standing out, though it's partly obscured by the loincloth. So I now think that the legs are providing some support. But it's the kind of support that we'd see in an actual knees-bent crucifixion, where the subject can't lock his knees and can only keep himself up with sustained exertion of the quadriceps. When I experiment with that kind of position, I find that the stomach muscles tighten too, as we see in the photos.

 

[PhilX]

I am unhappy about any images of boys here.

 

[Cruxpassion]

There definitely is a kind of sedile on all three crosses. This is "hidden" by a piece of cloth and can be clearly seen on pics 1, 3, 4 and 6.
Also, the arms of the actors are not fully stretched. But in carrying all that weight they should be. Otherwise, if the actors lift themselves up, most of the arm muscles should be much better visible.

 

[frost]

...Also, the arms of the actors are not fully stretched. But in carrying all that weight they should be. Otherwise, if the actors lift themselves up, most of the arm muscles should be much better visible.

I don't think that the arms would be fully stretched all the time. When I try hanging from a bar for a sustained time, I find that after a while, I have to flex the elbows slightly to relieve some of the tension in the shoulders. Unfortunately, I don't have the equipment (and probably not the arm strength either) to try it with the arms at 45 degrees, but I'd think that someone in that situation would do the same thing: hang with the arms fully stretched until the discomfort in the shoulders became too great, then pull with the arms and chest muscles to ease the shoulders, until those muscles became tired and he had to relax them and let his arms stretch fully.

Look at the left arm on photo 604. The head of the pectoralis major (which defines the front of the armpit) is really standing out. I experimented by standing in a doorway and holding the upper corner of the door frame, which put my arm at about the right angle. If I just hang passively, without trying to flex the elbow at all, I don't see this; if anything, the armpit flattens out a bit. However, if I try to flex the elbow slightly while pulling hard, I can feel that muscle standing out. I think that's what we're seeing in this photo.

I don't know if we'd see this on someone who'd been nailed to their cross. Pulling on the arms would increase the pressure on the nail wounds, so the subject would be less likely to seek that relief from the stretching of the shoulders. On the other hand, trying to extend his knees to take some of the weight off the arms would put more weight on the nails through the ankles, which would also increase the pain. We'd probably see teeth-gritting attempts to seek some relief in these ways, followed by collapses into the default hanging position, with the subject growing more and more desperate as he discovers that everything he tries only makes things worse. But that's a feature, not a bug...

 

[wayne]

I attached a removable sloped footrest for my cross as you can see in the three first pics of this page. I wanted to hang only by wrists but with a little help. I wasn't able to reach 10 minutes hanging that way. I tried this after hanging by close to 40 minutes tho. Definitely need leather specialized stuff for that.
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No upper arm rope, I see. It shows and starts to get progressively more difficult (how well I know...). Your stated times are amazing. I don't know when/if I'll get another chance, but my brief no foot rest and no upper arm rope is a moment firmly etched in my memory, that's for sure. Keep up the great work!

 

[BondageBoy]

Hi. Wanting to share pics from my last session (January). Would have preferred to wear a loincloth after seeing the pics. Hoping next session to happen next month.
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As always, you look AMAZING!!

 

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As always, you look AMAZING!!

Agree with BB totally. And also here is another amazing pic, albeit of a painting, though was painted of an actual model, to which the detail of his amazing body all painted in, right down to his belly button stretched is something else, one can feel his body in sheer pain.

 

[Cruxpassion]

No upper arm rope, I see. It shows and starts to get progressively more difficult (how well I know...). Your stated times are amazing. I don't know when/if I'll get another chance, but my brief no foot rest and no upper arm rope is a moment firmly etched in my memory, that's for sure. Keep up the great work!

Yes, I hardly managed more than 10 Minutes without foot rest, sedile and upper arm ropes....

 

[Tygorn]

Agree with BB totally. And also here is another amazing pic, albeit of a painting, though was painted of an actual model, to which the detail of his amazing body all painted in, right down to his belly button stretched is something else, one can feel his body in sheer pain.

Agree with BB totally. And also here is another amazing pic, albeit of a painting, though was painted of an actual model, to which the detail of his amazing body all painted in, right down to his belly button stretched is something else, one can feel his body in sheer pain.

Ave,

yes, thats really a masterpiece of crux art in my opinion, too.
Especially when considering that this was created long before the "Yehohanan"-find in 1968 in Jerusalem, the artist depicted this concept with the legs/feet fixed sideways against the pole.
The mastery of the depicting all these "realistic" details of male anatomy in agony is really outstanding.
Thanks for reminding us of this masterpiece.

best regards
Ty.

 

[Rich]

I attached a removable sloped footrest for my cross as you can see in the three first pics of this page. I wanted to hang only by wrists but with a little help. I wasn't able to reach 10 minutes hanging that way. I tried this after hanging by close to 40 minutes tho. Definitely need leather specialized stuff for that.
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I would love to hang on that cross. I have been crucified twice, am five foot three and weigh less than nine stone.

Both crucifictions used ropes and I lasted half an hour but wish to try for longer and have no problem with photos being taken.

 

[Cruxpassion]

I would love to hang on that cross. I have been crucified twice, am five foot three and weigh less than nine stone.

Both crucifictions used ropes and I lasted half an hour but wish to try for longer and have no problem with photos being taken.

Did you have a foot rest or sedile?
I am also 6 foot tall and just some 65kg but hardly managed to do more than 10 minutes without...