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Hasturan said:
I just want to say about historical accuracy.
In 1803 Alexander I (the First) revoked tortures and this, such cruel punishments.
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Thks for the precision !
The date was wrong : it was 18th.
My reference was private punishments : a master/mistress to her servant.
I guess Alexander 1st changed rules of legal punishments
http://www.cosmovisions.com/VoyageChappe05.htm
search for "quatorze", the first occurence
If you read French
 
Pierre771 said:
Maybe... Where do you think it is ?
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the artist is Noble Vulchur, prolific and very recongisable in the BDSM art world,
search 'Vulchur' to find lots of his work here. I'm not sure of his nationality,
others may know?
 
Pierre771 said:
For Eulalia :

Santa Eulalia, by Roberto Ferri, contemporanean, Italian, style inspired from baroque but the woman's esthetique is modern
Her body after crucifixion
She looks fine after crucifixion and the nails are in the wrong place but the woman and her attitude are splendid and I love this picture

I guess (I hope ) everybody here knows who was Santa Eulalia (or theorically was, it is a legend)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulalia_of_Barcelona
in catalan, the most complete (normal !). If you read Spanish or Italian, you should succeed in reading it more or less (it's easier than Russian !)
https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulàlia_de_Barcelona
The name Eulalia is given often to girls in Catalonia
There are toponyms "Santa Eulalia" (officially "Sainte Eulalie") in the south-West of France too, near Bordeaux

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Indeed, but it's always nice for this girl to be reminded of the artists who've portrayed her,
and to know that others are excited by her legend.

I think Eulalia of Mérida (Emerita Augusta), at the opposite corner of Spain to Barcelona,
may well have been a genuine victim of the persecution under Diocletian: she's supposed to have died c304,
and there are records of her from martyrologies less than a century later.
Her story, as told in a fine Virgilian poem by Prudentius, says she was a youngster
whose parents sent her to a safe house in the mountains when the persecution broke out,
but she was having none of it, she escaped and made her way back to the city,
confronted the magistrate, and was scourged, stretched on the 'little horse'
(a kind of rack), and finally torn with hooks and roasted to death tied between two pillars,
all the while provoking her persecutors with cheeky remarks.
Her naked body was thrown out in the Forum as a warning to others, but a snow-shower hid her.
I first read about her when I was the same age, and found the whole story irresistably exciting!

Eulalia of Barcelona is almost certainly a 'borrowed' version of the same Eulalia,
though Catalans hotly deny it. Anyway, they elaborated her story with lots of
additional tortures, including an X-cross instead of the two pillars.
 
Eulalia said:
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Eulalia of Barcelona is almost certainly a 'borrowed' version of the same Eulalia,
though Catalans hotly deny it. Anyway, they elaborated her story with lots of
additional tortures, including an X-cross instead of the two pillars.
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Yes, of course they deny it because she is one of the Catalan national founder myths and one of the symbols of the persecuted and oppressed country.
The other saint is considered as a "forastera" (stranger, non-catalan)
I knew Eulalia of Merida but thanks for all these details : what an erudition !
I am neither an historian nor a linguist (not even a romanist) ;)

Diocletian's persecutions were horrible in all Europe controlled by the Romans. It was not necessary to build imaginary other atrocities but it's a founder myth too, for Christianism.
Little horse/rack : in French : chevalet (little horse), in Catalan : llinyetes
 
Eulalia said:
the artist is Noble Vulchur, prolific and very recongisable in the BDSM art world,
search 'Vulchur' to find lots of his work here. I'm not sure of his nationality,
others may know?
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His women are very masculine and seem an homosexual (gay) vision of women (cf the same kind of vision in the French/Belgian comics series "Alix" by Jacques Martin and his team).
http://www.girlscv.com/Gallery/5098235/BW-DRW-of-Noble-Vulchur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Martin_(comics)
 
Eulalia said:
in Latin eculus ;)
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Thks for the precision !
Last time I read Latin was in June 1963 exactly. It was for my 1st part of 'bac' (baccaulerate)
A good memory : the version was entirely translated in my dictionary ! The others didn't have this dictionary.
It was mandatory in my section and the coeficient was the same as French !
My generation should have learnt more useful things. Languages for example...
Or behave oneself in the life...
 
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