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Pre- Crucifixion Torture Ideas.
- Thread starter courtneylou
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KvK
Tribune
I think the Christmas TV schedules look enough of a crime against humanity
Another excelllent pre-crux torture idea! Strap the woman down all naked and force her to watch a marathon of this. After a couple of hours, she will cry out "For fuck's sake! Just crucify me already!
Fox-on-Cross
Great-Cruxinquisitor
O no, she was released by Perseus who possessed the cut head from Medusa. The inkfish exploded.
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Lots of Andromeda gen from Zephyros at http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/andromeda-bonded-and-shackled.4535/#post-181829
and links there to my Andromeda fantasies, all too familiar to CF regulars!
and links there to my Andromeda fantasies, all too familiar to CF regulars!
bakerboy
Senator
PhilX
Governor
Before the crucifixion, the condemned could be given some flogging. That is an old tradition. But why torture before crucifixion in a horrific and painful way? That sounds like cruel and unusual punishment!
Again a chance to speculate on the procedure of death by crucifixion.
I agree that subjecting those condemned to this death to torture beforehand does seem a bit over-sadistic & unnecessary unless further information was required. But I am sure the victims would have been subjected to severe mistreatment, as once the sentence is passed they are technically already 'dead meat'. The main thing to be observed was that the victims could physically get to the place where the crucifixion was to take place so that the punishment could actually take place.
I am not convinced that the scourging was part & parcel of crucifixion because Christ's scourging (& only the scourging) was intended by Pilate to be his punishment. However as the purpose of crucifixion was to subject the condemned to the maximum pain & humiliation I can imagine a regular preliminary 'warm-up' would be a whipping across the bare shoulders & buttocks to remove the skin because of the added pain this would cause when the victim was on the cross & raising themselves up & down against the vertical stipes timber.
However if the condemned were of an occupied race that is either despised by the Romans or else causing them great problems with insurrection I would imagine that they would be subjected to severe beatings up by the soldiers holding them & also the execution squad (two different groups? Hence two separate subjections to maltreatment). Mockery as well as physical knocking about would, I am sure, have been commonplace. As well as physical abuse & mental trauma of cruel mockery, it could have been likely for the laughs of bored soldiers to subject the condemned to disgusting mistreatment in the latrines, the imagination of those holding the victims throughout the night prior to crucifixion must have known no bounds as long as next morning the condemned could carry the heavy crossbeam through the streets to the execution site.
Lastly if the condemned were attractive males or female then sexual abuse & gang-rape would have certainly taken place, the condemned had no human rights.
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
I fully agree with your presentation of historical practices during crucifixion in Roman times.
The thread started however with the question :
"How would you make the pre- crucifixion torture as horrific and painful as possible?"
So, my reply concerned my personal preference about my 'ideal' crucifixion fantasy, independently from the historical practices. There is nothing against a good whipping as a warm up, but I prefer long agony crucifixions over pain for pain's sake. Therefore, I would rather avoid inflicting pre crucfixion tortures that would only result into shortening significantly the life of the condemned, once crucified.
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Deleted member jedakk
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I've said this many times. I had Balbus say it once or twice in The Serpent's Eye; here's what he said to one of his helpers who was flogging Sabina after she fell on the way to the cross:
The slave girl Sabina had just kissed the pavement on her way to the cross and now that son of a Nubian whore Hercules was whipping her ass as if that was somehow going to make her feet sprout wings like Mercury.
“How many times do I have to tell you? We crucify them, asshole! Crucify them! Not flog them to death! The part of you that was supposed to be brains must have run down your mother’s leg!”
“How many times do I have to tell you? We crucify them, asshole! Crucify them! Not flog them to death! The part of you that was supposed to be brains must have run down your mother’s leg!”
And another time, talking about crucifixion:
“It’s a public execution,” I said, almost shouting to make myself heard over all the screaming and hammering. “What matters is what the public sees and how long it lasts.” I gestured at the crowd, “These cocksuckers can’t see how much it hurts, and these crowbait on their crosses are already screaming as loud as they can, so how would they know if we made it worse? Anything we do to make the pain worse doesn’t show, it only makes these assholes die sooner.”
So according to that, torture is pointless unless the crowd can see the effect, and it will make the victims die sooner.
On the other hand, slow death lasting hours or even days doesn't make for great spectator sport 
If - and I think it's a historically doubtful if - crucifixions were conducted as part of the 'games' in arenas,
the victims probably would have been subjected to continual ill-treatment - flogging, burning, tearing etc. -
allowing them a quicker but agonising death, and more fun for the baying crowd.
If - and I think it's a historically doubtful if - crucifixions were conducted as part of the 'games' in arenas,
the victims probably would have been subjected to continual ill-treatment - flogging, burning, tearing etc. -
allowing them a quicker but agonising death, and more fun for the baying crowd.
PhilX
Governor
Yes, I am sorry Loxuru, I didn't answer your original question.
As far as personal fantasy, my mind changes quite a lot...well it's good to keep changing the fantasy scenario. I think though that I never imagine such ill-treatment that would weaken me to such an extent that I couldn't be fully aware of what is happening once hanging on the cross, I always imagine that I am starkly in possession of all my faculties thus making the crucifixion the worst bit. A sort of slow build-up of horror, humiliation, & pain. That was the big fault with Mel's film in my opinion, the scourging was so bad that the actual crucifixion seemed rather tame & 'easy' in comparison.
In my fantasy the ordeal of mockery, & shame beforehand is perhaps more vivid than the various pains of being beaten about - pain is not that easy to imagine, but ridicule is. I also imagine that I am not too beaten & disfigured (black eyes, lost teeth, etc) once I am led out into the public.
I am not gay & so sodomy or gang rape does not interest me, but the possibility does sometimes occur in my fantasy because I am sure it was commonplace pre-crucifixion ill-treatment. If, as I think was a reality, that a penetrating hooked cornu fixed to the cross was part of the procedure (for both pain, shame, & humiliation) then it would have amused the soldiers & guards to make sure that the victims' anal passage or/& vagina were in a sore & bloody state beforehand.
So basically my own fantasies are more about the fear, the mockery & ridicule, & a fair bit of beating up. To be surrounded by a large company of guards & soldiers in some dark cold dingy hall, to be shoved around by them as they laughed at my obvious fear, then to be punched & kicked as I fell to the ground, eventually to be dragged to my feet & stripped of all my clothing. I would endure coarse comments about my body as they continued to knock me about. As I was being held throughout the night prior to execution, the imaginings of those holding me would range through all manner of intricate nastiness & humiliation. So long as I was fit enough next morning anything went.
I could imagine a hilarious game for all the soldiers & guards surrounding me, one naked & very vulnerable man, was that I am made to masturbate myself into full erection as those crowding round goaded me on with laughter & ribaldry. Not being allowed to come though would cause my erect member to remain desperately up & jutting as the laughing men paraded me around amongst them, my hands held behind me as the shoved me about.
The sight of this might cause arousal in some of the men present & of course they were free to abuse me as they wished, cheered on by their mates.
Afterwards with blood faeces & sperm running down my legs from my agonised anus I would then be dragged to a column & my arms shackled above my head. Now would come the first serious part of the physical punishment.
Two of the strongest men would take leather whips & begin to beat me over my shoulders & buttocks, every blow an agonising searing pain as the whips raise weals on my bare skin. It would never be the flesh-ripping scourges in my imagination as I am sure they caused such trauma that after a few blows the victims would almost pass out - I am told that a single blow with on of those scourges would be not far short of a shotgun wound, that is too much to comprehend!
However having my back & bare buttocks flayed to a sore mass of pain is a bad enough thing to imagine. the weals & raw skinned flesh would later cause me immense agony, first as they place the heavy patibulum across my shoulders, & later when I am desperately raising my exhausted body up on the cross to try to gulp in air.
After they beat me, they unshackled my wrists & I slump down onto the cold floor, slippery with my piss as I had urinated whilst they beat me. I am kicked & told to get up onto my feet again. Once up I am mocked more at my weakness, they knock me around a bit more, kicked & punched in my testicles...ouch! that hurts bad!! Then I guess it is time for them to take me out & hand me over to the execution squad.
I am made to dress completely, my hands are shaking, I am shivering from cold & fear, it is difficult to get my loincloth on & all the rest, the cloth of my chemise as it touches my wounded shoulders hurts. As I struggle to dress the men around me shout in my face to hurry it up, I am terrified & feel extremely lonely!
Then I am taken out to be led to my crucifixion.
As all this has been taking place in the caserma up to when I am led into the streets bearing the crossbeam, I have only encountered men. In the streets I see women for the first time, the humiliation I am to endure a short while later with them watching will be another ratcheting up in the shame I will have to undergo.
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Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
(it was not my question, but Courtneylou's, who started the thread).
But never mind, much of my personal fantasies are largely in the same style and content as yours, as you described here, putting the emphasis on :
bakerboy
Senator
KvK
Tribune
Another pre-crux torture idea, inspired by Barbaria's Kru Klux Klan thread.
Strip her naked, strip search her then manacle her hands behind her back, a spreader bar binding her ankles.
Then put a noose, or piano wire, around her neck and winch her up until she is standing on her tippee-toes. When she looks like she is going to give in and let herself be suffocated, winch her down, slap her, tweak her tits, then winch her back up.
Continue until crucifixion.
Strip her naked, strip search her then manacle her hands behind her back, a spreader bar binding her ankles.
Then put a noose, or piano wire, around her neck and winch her up until she is standing on her tippee-toes. When she looks like she is going to give in and let herself be suffocated, winch her down, slap her, tweak her tits, then winch her back up.
Continue until crucifixion.
