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Our Fascination with the Romans, why?
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ShadowWolf
Tribune
works for me
A great picture of cleansing of the soul and body before her sacrifice of taking part in her execution.
Crux-Emperor Baracus X
Rectidolor
Definitely not my local branch of "Slaves R us"....Sunday shopping ?
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Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
Why we love the Romans
...and Tree has Roman ancestors...
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
No surprise.
jimsac
Tribune
The definition of "perversion" was quite different then.
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Juan1234
Guest
Unfortunately I’m pretty late to this discussion, and I haven’t taken the time to read everyone’s previous thoughts in detail (though I did spend some time on them!) I personally focus on Rome because I know more or less how Rome crucified people, and it was very sexual, humiliating, painful, and prolonged. Complete nudity. Nails. Spread out on a cross. Hanging for days before death. There may be other times and places where similar things were done, but nothing I’ve ever learned about sounds quite like it. My understanding is that Arab “crucifixion” displays a corpse, and probably not completely naked. Japanese crucifixion, from what I know, was a relatively quick affair, with death by stabbing, often (always?) without nails. As far as I know, a woman “crucified” in Japan could keep her modesty, too. Some of the earlier forms seem to have been more like impaling, I think?
In summary, Roman crucifixion is much more sexually stimulating for me, at least according to my current understanding. Secondarily, my current understanding is focused on Rome.
In summary, Roman crucifixion is much more sexually stimulating for me, at least according to my current understanding. Secondarily, my current understanding is focused on Rome.
willowfall
Senator
A little over done to titillate but pretty funny.
And ANYBODY who thinks 50 Shades of Grey is dirty has a led a sheltered life.
kisses
willowfall
And ANYBODY who thinks 50 Shades of Grey is dirty has a led a sheltered life.
kisses
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windar
Teller of Tales
They do some pretty good ones here in New York. Just ask Barb...
A question (it may have been dealt with on some other thread) for the aficionados here-is there any actual evidence that the Romans found crucifixion sexually arousing? Any letters saying "Went down to the Forum and boy it was hot (to quote Apostate)"? Did the Romans get off on it or was it too common and everyday an occurrence to have much appeal to them? "Not another damn crucifixion, Antonius, can't we have something different for a change?"
I think the short answer is no. There are plenty of indications that they -
certainly men, probably women too - found the spectacles of cruelty in the arena arousing,
indeed it was the place to go to get horny, chat up and grope girls,
find a good choice of whores in the dark passages below -
but I don't know of any suggestion that they watched cruxing for sexual pleasure,
if they looked at all, it was more likely to be in anger or disgust
at the wretches condemned to this shameful death.
certainly men, probably women too - found the spectacles of cruelty in the arena arousing,
indeed it was the place to go to get horny, chat up and grope girls,
find a good choice of whores in the dark passages below -
but I don't know of any suggestion that they watched cruxing for sexual pleasure,
if they looked at all, it was more likely to be in anger or disgust
at the wretches condemned to this shameful death.
windar
Teller of Tales
Well, my opinion of the Romans has just gone up a couple of notches: Stan Goldman, NYPD Retired...
Praefectus Praetorio
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I would suspect that, just like today there wasn't a lot of acceptance of sexual enjoyment of crucifixion. It was of course meant to be horrible torture humiliation and death. Lucius Annaeus Seneca, known as Seneca the Younger, tutor to the Emperor Nero, was the formost proponent of the Stoic philosophy in Rome. He argued you should not fear death but rather suffering. In his Epistulae Morales ad Lucilium (Moral Letters to Lucilius), he writes of the horror of crucifixion:
Invenitur aliquis, qui velit inter supplicia tabescere et perire membratim et totiens per stilicidia emittere animam quam semel exhalare ? Invenitur, qui velit adactus ad illud infelix lignum, iam debilis, iam pravus et in foedum scapularum ac pectoris tuber elisus, cui multae moriendi causae etiam citra crucem fuerant, trahere animam tot tormenta tracturam ?
That wasn't all in English, was it?
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
Oh right! Translation (rough, Eul will offer something better):
Can anyone be found who would prefer wasting away in pain, dying limb by limb, or letting out his life drop by drop, rather than expiring once for all? Can any man be found willing to be fastened to the accursed tree, long sickly, already deformed, swelling with ugly tumours on chest and shoulders, and draw the breath of life amid long-drawn-out agony? I think he would have many excuses for dying even before mounting the cross!
Can anyone be found who would prefer wasting away in pain, dying limb by limb, or letting out his life drop by drop, rather than expiring once for all? Can any man be found willing to be fastened to the accursed tree, long sickly, already deformed, swelling with ugly tumours on chest and shoulders, and draw the breath of life amid long-drawn-out agony? I think he would have many excuses for dying even before mounting the cross!