works for me
Definitely not my local branch of "Slaves R us"....Sunday shopping ?
...and Tree has Roman ancestors...Why we love the Romans
No surprise....and Tree has Roman ancestors...
The definition of "perversion" was quite different then.Why we love the Romans
They do some pretty good ones here in New York. Just ask Barb...Unfortunately I’m pretty late to this discussion, and I haven’t taken the time to read everyone’s previous thoughts in detail (though I did spend some time on them!) I personally focus on Rome because I know more or less how Rome crucified people, and it was very sexual, humiliating, painful, and prolonged. Complete nudity. Nails. Spread out on a cross. Hanging for days before death. There may be other times and places where similar things were done, but nothing I’ve ever learned about sounds quite like it. My understanding is that Arab “crucifixion” displays a corpse, and probably not completely naked. Japanese crucifixion, from what I know, was a relatively quick affair, with death by stabbing, often (always?) without nails. As far as I know, a woman “crucified” in Japan could keep her modesty, too. Some of the earlier forms seem to have been more like impaling, I think?
In summary, Roman crucifixion is much more sexually stimulating for me, at least according to my current understanding. Secondarily, my current understanding is focused on Rome.
"Not another damn crucifixion, Antonius, can't we have something different for a change?"
Well, my opinion of the Romans has just gone up a couple of notches: Stan Goldman, NYPD Retired...I don't know of any suggestion that they watched cruxing for sexual pleasure,
if they looked at all, it was more likely to be in anger or disgust
at the wretches condemned to this shameful death.
I would suspect that, just like today there wasn't a lot of acceptance of sexual enjoyment of crucifixion. It was of course meant to be horrible torture humiliation and death. Lucius Annaeus Seneca, known as Seneca the Younger, tutor to the Emperor Nero, was the formost proponent of the Stoic philosophy in Rome. He argued you should not fear death but rather suffering. In his Epistulae Morales ad Lucilium (Moral Letters to Lucilius), he writes of the horror of crucifixion:I think the short answer is no. There are plenty of indications that they -
certainly men, probably women too - found the spectacles of cruelty in the arena arousing,
indeed it was the place to go to get horny, chat up and grope girls,
find a good choice of whores in the dark passages below -
but I don't know of any suggestion that they watched cruxing for sexual pleasure,
if they looked at all, it was more likely to be in anger or disgust
at the wretches condemned to this shameful death.
That wasn't all in English, was it?I would suspect that, just like today there wasn't a lot of acceptance of sexual enjoyment of crucifixion. It was of course meant to be horrible torture humiliation and death. Lucius Annaeus Seneca, known as Seneca the Younger, tutor to the Emperor Nero, was the formost proponent of the Stoic philosophy in Rome. He argued you should not fear death but rather suffering. In his Epistulae Morales ad Lucilium (Moral Letters to Lucilius), he writes of the horror of crucifixion:
Invenitur aliquis, qui velit inter supplicia tabescere et perire membratim et totiens per stilicidia emittere animam quam semel exhalare ? Invenitur, qui velit adactus ad illud infelix lignum, iam debilis, iam pravus et in foedum scapularum ac pectoris tuber elisus, cui multae moriendi causae etiam citra crucem fuerant, trahere animam tot tormenta tracturam ?