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True. Mass crowd masturbation was probably not exactly common.

Individuals or groups taking an opportunity to abuse a hanging crucifee? Yeah, I can see that.

I once read of a female Christian martyr who, after she was crucified, continued to be "outraged" as she hung on her cross. I’ve never been able to track down that account since, compelling evidence I imagined it.

So we must make do with Damian’s imagining of St. Julia of Carthage. :eek: :babeando:
 

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This conversation is fascinating me. The pure, undiluted cruelty of Roman execution techniques really comes across in this discussion. They thought about this stuff. As someone with an interest in how social relations work, I have been thinking about what it was in the Roman era which made them so cruel. Ok, the societies around them (the Germanic tribes and the Celts, for instance) were brutal, but they don't seem to have gone in for this systemic, organised way of putting people to death. And it stands in complete contrast to the Greeks, from whom the Romans originally derived much of their culture. (The Greeks, for those of you who don't know, preferred to keep executions out of sight and more, shall we say, indirect.) At the moment, I am thinking about 'Empire' (with major modern-day resonances), but I wonder if other people have thoughts on this?

There is certainly something 'theatrical' about the culture of Rome, at least in the so-called 'Golden Age', that is both attractive and repellent, it's not just the Hollywood version though of course it makes for great cinema, but they really did revel in spectacle - Imperial progresses, Generals' triumphs, gladiatorial contest, chariot races, exotic beasts ... life was cheap - literally so in the ever-stocked slave markets - death in many forms ever near, and - horrible to think it - but putting people to death in spectacular ways really does seem to have been an art form, like everything else they did, they made sure to do it bigger, better and more efficiently.

There have been comparable eras, at least to some extent, in Europe from the Black Death through the Renaissance, Reformation and beyond both the general 'theatricality' (and Puritan reactions against it), and in particular public executions - burnings, hangings, etc. - went on through what in other senses were 'golden ages'. I think parallels can be found in Chinese history too, I don't know much about that.

As to the barbarians, of course we've only got Classical writers tending either to give shock-horror accounts of their brutality or present them as models of the noble savage, the truth was probably neither and both. It's interesting too to reflect on how these eras of spectacular cruelty begin with loss of faith in the more ordered - though actually or symbolically bloody - rituals of sacrificial religions, and may be followed by a return to the theatre of religious ritual.

What all this says about the age we're living in now is a troubling question ....
 
There is certainly something 'theatrical' about the culture of Rome, at least in the so-called 'Golden Age', that is both attractive and repellent, it's not just the Hollywood version though of course it makes for great cinema, but they really did revel in spectacle - Imperial progresses, Generals' triumphs, gladiatorial contest, chariot races, exotic beasts ... life was cheap - literally so in the ever-stocked slave markets - death in many forms ever near, and - horrible to think it - but putting people to death in spectacular ways really does seem to have been an art form, like everything else they did, they made sure to do it bigger, better and more efficiently.

There have been comparable eras, at least to some extent, in Europe from the Black Death through the Renaissance, Reformation and beyond both the general 'theatricality' (and Puritan reactions against it), and in particular public executions - burnings, hangings, etc. - went on through what in other senses were 'golden ages'. I think parallels can be found in Chinese history too, I don't know much about that.

As to the barbarians, of course we've only got Classical writers tending either to give shock-horror accounts of their brutality or present them as models of the noble savage, the truth was probably neither and both. It's interesting too to reflect on how these eras of spectacular cruelty begin with loss of faith in the more ordered - though actually or symbolically bloody - rituals of sacrificial religions, and may be followed by a return to the theatre of religious ritual.

What all this says about the age we're living in now is a troubling question ....

Eulalia, you remind me of a article


which is a scholarly paper, written in densest academese, and peppered with untranslated Latin and Greek. But it describes in some detail the reasons for and methods of executing criminals as part of public entertainments.

Dramas in which characters die bloodily and horribly are commonplace today, we call them slasher movies. There are also compilation videos of people actually getting killed. When actors are deliberately killed to make Friday 13th movies, then I’ll start getting worried about the current version of civilization.
 
Eulalia, you remind me of a article


which is a scholarly paper, written in densest academse, and peppered with untranslated Latin and Greek. But it describes in some detail the reasons for and methods of executing criminals as part of public entertainments.

Dramas in which characters die bloodily and horribly are commonplace today, we call them slasher movies. There are also compilation videos of people actually getting killed. When actors are deliberately killed to make Friday 13th movies, then I’ll start getting worried about the current version of civilization.
Thanks for that, Apostate - yes it is a rather heavy, plodding survey of Roman punishments and executions, especially ones conducted as theatrical spectacles, but it's well-organised and argued, it certainly illustrates my point. Most of the Latin (and a little Greek) in the text is translated, except some short phrases, and where some writing has been summarised in the text, the original is given in full in footnotes. This passage (one of those ?you've higlighted) gives a taste:

[A] Pompeian inscription, CIL iv 9983a, ... includes a line advertising
criminals to be crucified in the amphitheatre during the regular munus: 'cruciarii
ven[atio] et vel[a] er[unt]'. An advantage of this attraction is that it does not
require prisoners to be trained. Crucifixion, however, involving a lingering death
that lasts hours if not days,does not offer the same spectacular appeal as the other
'aggravated' death penalties that were commonly imposed: burning and beasts. But
the actual moment of death may be relatively insignificant in relation to the
satisfaction spectators derived from witnessing preliminaries that culminated in the
hoisting of the body onto the cross. It is also possible that a combined penalty was
envisaged such as that suffered by the martyr Blandina, who was hung on a post as
bait for the animals in a posture that is explicitly likened to crucifixion.
Similarly the martyrdom of Pionius, who was nailed to a [xylon = wooden post],
raised, and burnt, combined crucifixion and crematio.'
As well as intensifying the punishment by doubling the pain, these
variations sustain interest by their novelty

An advantage of this attraction is that it does not
require prisoners to be trained.
That, typically rather humorless, line makes me imagine a board meeting
where the Emperor and his advisers are discussing more cost-efficient ways
of killing off people in public in ways that will please the punters! :D
 
Ah, full disclosure. I bookmarked and first read the article when I was getting used to driving this iPad, and the highlighted passages were done by accident, and as I am a lazy man I never got around to unhighlighting them.

Oops.
 
Crucifixion, however, involving a lingering deaththat lasts hours if not days,does not offer the same spectacular appeal as the other'aggravated' death penalties that were commonly imposed: burning and beasts. But
the actual moment of death may be relatively insignificant in relation to the
satisfaction spectators derived from witnessing preliminaries that culminated in the
hoisting of the body onto the cross. It is also possible that a combined penalty was
envisaged such as that suffered by the martyr Blandina, who was hung on a post as
bait for the animals in a posture that is explicitly likened to crucifixion.

And the relatively compact amphitheater of Lyon

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was ideal for such an entertainment. If crucifixions really were the crowd pleasers of our unclean imaginations, they would be conducted in such venues.

As in the Michele Patri manips below. :eek: :babeando: :very_hot:
 

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was ideal for such an entertainment. If crucifixions really were the crowd pleasers of our unclean imaginations, they would be conducted in such venues.

As in the Michele Patri manips below. :eek: :babeando: :very_hot:

Crucifixions could be part of the ambience, too. Off to the side of the main event.

In a very early episode of Spartacus: Blood and Sand (not a reliable historical source ;)), a group of naked folks (I presume slaves?) is chained up in the back of the Pit, where gladiators battle to the gruesome death. If I remember right, it’s a group of three naked men and one gorgeous, similarly naked woman.

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There she is on the left, wrapped up in some kind of serpentine statue. I never paid much attention to the main event in this episode...
 
Crucifixions could be part of the ambience, too. Off to the side of the main event.

As in "Christian Martyr's Last Prayer," by Jean-Léon Gérôme, some French dude, whose historical inaccuracies were breathtaking, but like the Ancient Romans he knew how to put on a good show. ;)
 

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Some Julie and Melissa manips, of which I am fond. ;) :babeando:
 

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A few more, possibly repeats, but they bear repeating, especially the two Cowgirl manips. :babeando:
 

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Cowgirl's Insex session remains the benchmark for live action crux agony. :eeek::eek::babeando:
 

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A few more, possibly repeats, but they bear repeating, especially the two Cowgirl manips. :babeando:

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Sobbing in agony, humiliation, and experiencing sinking despair as the soldier simply watches her. He does not taunt her, does not explain exactly what he would do to her if she hadn’t, you know, gotten herself put up on a cross. He simply watches her with an appraising eye. Maybe he’s comparing her to the dozens of barbarian women he saw crucified on the Danube frontier. Maybe he’s comparing her to the Bastarnae girl he bent over a cattle post and took his pleasure from outside a nameless Dacian village last spring.

She’s completely exposed and can’t do anything about it, and now she’s realizing that no one is going to take her down.
 
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Sobbing in agony, humiliation, and experiencing sinking despair as the soldier simply watches her. He does not taunt her, does not explain exactly what he would do to her if she hadn’t, you know, gotten herself put up on a cross. He simply watches her with an appraising eye. Maybe he’s comparing her to the dozens of barbarian women he saw crucified on the Danube frontier. Maybe he’s comparing her to the Bastarnae girl he bent over a cattle post and took his pleasure from outside a nameless Dacian village last spring.

She’s completely exposed and can’t do anything about it, and now she’s realizing that no one is going to take her down.

Nice back story. Well done. :)
 
Co-Ed Crux. Four by Jastrow, two by Jerkbot, and a WIP, I’m not sure by whom.
 

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