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willowfall said:
Not quite correct. The Romans were 'cutting' not sweetening their wine with water (which of course was delivered in lead pipes). They considered you a barbarian if you drank your wine straight because you got drunk a lot faster if you didn't cut it. And while the Romans liked their wine they were kind of turned off by drunkenness because you lost your manners when you were drunk.

However consider this, a study not too many years ago on modern CEOs found that the vast majority of them are sociopaths. So you are now a sociopath, who was also a victorious general (as most were) ruling the world with almost unlimited powers amid incredible wealth. Ruling in a time when life was incredible cheap.

We should probably be more surprised at the number of capable sane men who managed to rise to Emperor.

kisses

willowfall
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Having seen the article I referred to quite a few years ago and wondering why would anyone need to sweeten wine I did a little more research and found a very good article explaining exactly what took place. Romans were boiling unfermented grape juice to make sweetener for food flavoring. But found that by boiling it in lead lined kettles the mixture was even sweeter. Thus was born the 1st artificial sweetener, lead acetate caused by lead leaching into the mixture. But fear not ladies, a modern use of lead acetate and water is good to treat sore nipples. I won't ramble on here's the link to the article explaining the chemical reaction, etc.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-artificial-sweetener-poisoned-lots-of-romans-5877587
 
Amber was quite a character, a great crux woman but a little big headed too maybe? Unfortunately I believe she and her partner had financial difficulties due to the GFC, and she had health problems too. She has left us a legacy.

foggybottom said:
Having seen the article I referred to quite a few years ago and wondering why would anyone need to sweeten wine I did a little more research and found a very good article explaining exactly what took place. Romans were boiling unfermented grape juice to make sweetener for food flavoring. But found that by boiling it in lead lined kettles the mixture was even sweeter. Thus was born the 1st artificial sweetener, lead acetate caused by lead leaching into the mixture. But fear not ladies, a modern use of lead acetate and water is good to treat sore nipples. I won't ramble on here's the link to the article explaining the chemical reaction, etc.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-artificial-sweetener-poisoned-lots-of-romans-5877587
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They used to water it down, too, I wonder just what Roman wine was like! I have some mulsum made in France (Gaul) which claims to be Roman wine, how close it is no one can really say.

foggybottom said:
Crux girls by Gallows Girl * Amy & Melissa

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You have my full attention, Foggy.

ok I've had a strange day, ending with a (resolved) work crisis and some alcohol, so I feel like a little crux. What have I got sitting around the place? Let's see.

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foggybottom said:
Having seen the article I referred to quite a few years ago and wondering why would anyone need to sweeten wine I did a little more research and found a very good article explaining exactly what took place. Romans were boiling unfermented grape juice to make sweetener for food flavoring. But found that by boiling it in lead lined kettles the mixture was even sweeter. Thus was born the 1st artificial sweetener, lead acetate caused by lead leaching into the mixture. But fear not ladies, a modern use of lead acetate and water is good to treat sore nipples. I won't ramble on here's the link to the article explaining the chemical reaction, etc.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-artificial-sweetener-poisoned-lots-of-romans-5877587
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It never surprises me what humans come up with and when, especially the Romans, inventive little devils as my ancestors found out when southern Italy was added to the Republic.

So we are actually talking about 2 different times in the process, you are talking about production and I am talking about the consumption part. They cut their wine with water as they were about to consume it much like we cut whiskey with soda or water today. SO they got a double shot of lead.

kisses

willowfall
 
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