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windar
Teller of Tales
"The Bronx Crux Murders" was not really ABOUT crucifixion-any more than a murder mystery where victims are strangled is about rope. It was a police story and a love story to some extent. The majority of chapters were about cops trying to solve a murder and weren't particularly erotic. In fact one critique that was made is that the sex scenes between Stan and Barb should have been more graphic (I think we took care of that in the later stories).
But breaking into the mainstream market is very hard. Like impossible. Nothing to do with crux or sex, just the sheer number of books out there...
H
hammers
Guest
I have read with interest and in many cases appreciated everybody's comments., but please allow me to add that, though I don't consider
myself an individual of restricted mind, it rises quite a question for me the reason why showing to great masses, including already disinhibited
people, gruesome details which some may appreciate ,but others would be genuinely upturned or simply prove compassion for the victim. Same feelings may be arisen by the vision of a sick bloody horror movie, so nothing new under the sun. So what calls for particular interest is undoubtedly the tillating view of a beautifull naked female's body suffering. (even though most would not admit it openly)
Sincerely I am not convinced by motivations of setting new borders for females' parity of gender and Independence.
There are many other means to progress in this field and treating the argument is complicated and deserves great caution.
On the other hand small independent moviemakers ( such as 'Red Feline' and others) endeavour , within their limits
and into a circle of 'aficionados', to satisfy our tastes for female crucifixions.
myself an individual of restricted mind, it rises quite a question for me the reason why showing to great masses, including already disinhibited
people, gruesome details which some may appreciate ,but others would be genuinely upturned or simply prove compassion for the victim. Same feelings may be arisen by the vision of a sick bloody horror movie, so nothing new under the sun. So what calls for particular interest is undoubtedly the tillating view of a beautifull naked female's body suffering. (even though most would not admit it openly)
Sincerely I am not convinced by motivations of setting new borders for females' parity of gender and Independence.
There are many other means to progress in this field and treating the argument is complicated and deserves great caution.
On the other hand small independent moviemakers ( such as 'Red Feline' and others) endeavour , within their limits
and into a circle of 'aficionados', to satisfy our tastes for female crucifixions.
Frank Petrexa
Tribune
Monte Python's "Life of Brian" features full nudity (both male for Graham Chapman, and female for his girl friend, who totally nude bawls out Terry Jones playing Brian's mother). They did crucify a woman in the final crucifixion scene as well (who is part of the crucified cabal demanding that Jews have their own exclusive crucifixion area), but they didn't have anyone nude, and the woman wasn't topless. Given that they must have known they'd get a lot of flak about blasphemy, I'm not sure why they made those choices. It is worth noting that they were probably low-budget: "Holy Grail" supposedly used coconuts and dancing to mimic horses because there wasn't enough cash to hire real horses.
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
(just a little charade on this topic)
Macro-Goldman-Moghul studios headquarters.
Late 1930.
Meeting in Mr. Louis B. Moghul’s office.
Present are : Mr. Moghul, Juan, a storywriter, and Mr. Irving Bergthal, producer.
Mr. Moghul : “So, Juan, what is that new script you have in mind!”
Juan : “Actually, Mr. Moghul, I think it will begin with a truly great novel that ends with the heroine nailed to a cross. But for it to work, I think the first 95% of the novel must be very non-erotic. Nobody can dismiss this as “erotica.” It’s a great, mainstream story with immense literary value. And then at the end, she’s crucified. The setting for this “First-through-the-wall” novel probably would have to be Roman, so that the crucifixion feels like it’s just accurate. Not trying to write about crucifixion, it’s just what would happen. Even the final scene should be written in a “classy,” way - not shrinking from the cruel, humiliating reality, but not dwelling on sexualized moments, either. So it’s a very “respectable” story, and the way it deals with crucifixion (maybe as a sort of metaphor for the place in society women are still fighting to free themselves from) is “hard-hitting” and “honest,” not erotic or sexualized. The tone will be key. “Respectable” audiences can swallow a lot if it feels high-brow and meaningful enough.”
Mr. Moghul : “Irving, what do you think?”
Bergthal : “It could work! I just would be curious what that 95% non-erotic part is about!?”
Mr. Moghul : “Never mind those 95%! We put someone on it! They’ll come up with something! If Irving says it will work, then I trust it will work! Just one more question! Don’t we risk… allegations of… blasphemy? Crucifixion, doesn’t that remind too much to Jezus Christ?”
Bergthal : “Just remember, Sir that nude torture scenes will always have a ‘juicy’ character, intended or not. The movie will not a problem, if the director does a good cutting and camera positioning job, leaving some things to suggestion. Important, I think is that, at the end, there is not just a crucifixion, but that, during the crucifixion scenes, the story is not finished and only then comes to its climax or outcome! Crucifixion as such is not necessarily referring to Jesus. Most viewers will be aware that crucifixion was a common death sentence during Roman times. This aspect could be framed well throughout the story, e.g. by adding another crucifixion earlier in the story, making clear the circumstances and practices of that sentence.”
Mr. Moghul : “OK! Give that 95% job to Loxuru! He can invent something…! But tell him to make it not too complicated! Next! Who will be the actress that will play the naked crucified heroine? Lilian Gish?”
Bergthal : “Too shy!”
Mr. Moghul : “Annette Kellerman? She did nude scenes!”
Bergthal : “No! Too voluptuous!”
Mr. Moghul : “Alla Nazimova?”
Bergthal : “Too old!”
Mr. Moghul : “Mary Pickford?”
Bergthal : “Too serious!”
Mr. Moghul : “Clara Bow?”
Bergthal : “Can’t act!”
Mr. Moghul : “Constance Talmadge?”
Bergthal : “Overacts!”
Mr. Moghul : “Clara Kimball Young?”
Bergthal : “Too Mature!”
Mr. Moghul : “Beverly Bayne?”
Bergthal : “Francis Bushman would not like it!!”
Mr. Moghul : “Theda Bara?”
Bergthal : “Too Vamp!”
Mr. Moghul : “Edna Purviance?”
Bergthal : “Too Chaplin!”
Mr. Moghul : “Tallulah Bankhead?”
Bergthal : “Too Blonde!”
Mr. Moghul : “Mabel Normand?”
Bergthal : “Too death!”
Mr. Moghul : “Really!? But come on, Irving, give me something! Oh, I get it, you want the role for Norma Shearer, isn’t it?”
Bergthal : “I actually, hope, Sir, that Norma will get a good part in it, yet, I would prefer not to see her crucified naked! And I am not so eager to see her returning from the set with four holes in her limbs. Actually, Mr. Moghul, I have another proposal!”
Mr. Moghul : “Tell me!?”
Bergthal : “A young actress, Barbara Moore is her name. Her agent says she seems very eager to take the part! It is a real challenge for her!”
Mr. Moghul : “Never heard of. Where is she from? Not from Arkansas, I hope?”
Bergthal : “She’s from a blue state!”
Mr. Moghul : “Yikes! So she complains a lot!”
Bergthal : “But, on the other hand, she never reads the fine print of the contract!”
Mr. Moghul : “Interesting! So we can shoot realistic crucifixion scenes! Give that Miss Moore an.. invitation for a private and personal screentest, tomorrow evening, at my place! Dismissed!”
THE END
Macro-Goldman-Moghul studios headquarters.
Late 1930.
Meeting in Mr. Louis B. Moghul’s office.
Present are : Mr. Moghul, Juan, a storywriter, and Mr. Irving Bergthal, producer.
Mr. Moghul : “So, Juan, what is that new script you have in mind!”
Juan : “Actually, Mr. Moghul, I think it will begin with a truly great novel that ends with the heroine nailed to a cross. But for it to work, I think the first 95% of the novel must be very non-erotic. Nobody can dismiss this as “erotica.” It’s a great, mainstream story with immense literary value. And then at the end, she’s crucified. The setting for this “First-through-the-wall” novel probably would have to be Roman, so that the crucifixion feels like it’s just accurate. Not trying to write about crucifixion, it’s just what would happen. Even the final scene should be written in a “classy,” way - not shrinking from the cruel, humiliating reality, but not dwelling on sexualized moments, either. So it’s a very “respectable” story, and the way it deals with crucifixion (maybe as a sort of metaphor for the place in society women are still fighting to free themselves from) is “hard-hitting” and “honest,” not erotic or sexualized. The tone will be key. “Respectable” audiences can swallow a lot if it feels high-brow and meaningful enough.”
Mr. Moghul : “Irving, what do you think?”
Bergthal : “It could work! I just would be curious what that 95% non-erotic part is about!?”
Mr. Moghul : “Never mind those 95%! We put someone on it! They’ll come up with something! If Irving says it will work, then I trust it will work! Just one more question! Don’t we risk… allegations of… blasphemy? Crucifixion, doesn’t that remind too much to Jezus Christ?”
Bergthal : “Just remember, Sir that nude torture scenes will always have a ‘juicy’ character, intended or not. The movie will not a problem, if the director does a good cutting and camera positioning job, leaving some things to suggestion. Important, I think is that, at the end, there is not just a crucifixion, but that, during the crucifixion scenes, the story is not finished and only then comes to its climax or outcome! Crucifixion as such is not necessarily referring to Jesus. Most viewers will be aware that crucifixion was a common death sentence during Roman times. This aspect could be framed well throughout the story, e.g. by adding another crucifixion earlier in the story, making clear the circumstances and practices of that sentence.”
Mr. Moghul : “OK! Give that 95% job to Loxuru! He can invent something…! But tell him to make it not too complicated! Next! Who will be the actress that will play the naked crucified heroine? Lilian Gish?”
Bergthal : “Too shy!”
Mr. Moghul : “Annette Kellerman? She did nude scenes!”
Bergthal : “No! Too voluptuous!”
Mr. Moghul : “Alla Nazimova?”
Bergthal : “Too old!”
Mr. Moghul : “Mary Pickford?”
Bergthal : “Too serious!”
Mr. Moghul : “Clara Bow?”
Bergthal : “Can’t act!”
Mr. Moghul : “Constance Talmadge?”
Bergthal : “Overacts!”
Mr. Moghul : “Clara Kimball Young?”
Bergthal : “Too Mature!”
Mr. Moghul : “Beverly Bayne?”
Bergthal : “Francis Bushman would not like it!!”
Mr. Moghul : “Theda Bara?”
Bergthal : “Too Vamp!”
Mr. Moghul : “Edna Purviance?”
Bergthal : “Too Chaplin!”
Mr. Moghul : “Tallulah Bankhead?”
Bergthal : “Too Blonde!”
Mr. Moghul : “Mabel Normand?”
Bergthal : “Too death!”
Mr. Moghul : “Really!? But come on, Irving, give me something! Oh, I get it, you want the role for Norma Shearer, isn’t it?”
Bergthal : “I actually, hope, Sir, that Norma will get a good part in it, yet, I would prefer not to see her crucified naked! And I am not so eager to see her returning from the set with four holes in her limbs. Actually, Mr. Moghul, I have another proposal!”
Mr. Moghul : “Tell me!?”
Bergthal : “A young actress, Barbara Moore is her name. Her agent says she seems very eager to take the part! It is a real challenge for her!”
Mr. Moghul : “Never heard of. Where is she from? Not from Arkansas, I hope?”
Bergthal : “She’s from a blue state!”
Mr. Moghul : “Yikes! So she complains a lot!”
Bergthal : “But, on the other hand, she never reads the fine print of the contract!”
Mr. Moghul : “Interesting! So we can shoot realistic crucifixion scenes! Give that Miss Moore an.. invitation for a private and personal screentest, tomorrow evening, at my place! Dismissed!”
THE END
I declare an interest as I translated it, and still mourn the loss of the wonderfully talented author,
but I'd seriously suggest that Velut Luna's 'Amica, the Slavegirl of Pompeii'
is an epic story that would make a superb blockbuster film,
it's got all the ingredients of a toga and sandals classic,
not in any sense pornographic, but richly erotic,
and at the climax the heroine is crucified while Vesuvius erupts!
http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/resources/amica-the-slavegirl-of-pompeii-by-velut-luna.402/
but I'd seriously suggest that Velut Luna's 'Amica, the Slavegirl of Pompeii'
is an epic story that would make a superb blockbuster film,
it's got all the ingredients of a toga and sandals classic,
not in any sense pornographic, but richly erotic,
and at the climax the heroine is crucified while Vesuvius erupts!
http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/resources/amica-the-slavegirl-of-pompeii-by-velut-luna.402/
bobinder
ARTISAN
J
Juan1234
Guest
That is a good one! (Though I admit I haven’t read all of it.)
J
Juan1234
Guest
I sometimes wonder if there could be anybody from the film industry lurking on this site, waiting for the right idea... Its fun to imagine some big name director or producer is actually here, under a pseudonym, just watching and waiting, not posting anything. And someday one of our writers will be contacted out of the blue regarding rights to their story. 
(Hey, this forum is all about fantasy, right??)
(Hey, this forum is all about fantasy, right??)
I sometimes wonder if there could be anybody from the film industry lurking on this site, waiting for the right idea... Its fun to imagine some big name director or producer is actually here, under a pseudonym, just watching and waiting, not posting anything. And someday one of our writers will be contacted out of the blue regarding rights to their story.
You must be referring to Cecil B. DeTree 
windar
Teller of Tales
MGM = Metro GOLDI sometimes wonder if there could be anybody from the film industry lurking on this site, waiting for the right idea... Its fun to imagine some big name director or producer is actually here, under a pseudonym, just watching and waiting, not posting anything. And someday one of our writers will be contacted out of the blue regarding rights to their story.
My agent recommended that I get my tight little over to the studio and audition for the part 
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
Or worse! Just steal the idea!I sometimes wonder if there could be anybody from the film industry lurking on this site, waiting for the right idea... Its fun to imagine some big name director or producer is actually here, under a pseudonym, just watching and waiting, not posting anything. And someday one of our writers will be contacted out of the blue regarding rights to their story.
Make it a huge success! The CF member-author would have to come out of his/her anonimity to claim original copyright!
Jon Smithie
Tribune
Well, I’d be flattered if I thought you were serious.I think it’s very clear to anyone who has tried to read my stories and watched them one by one ending without ending, that I’m not the guy for the job.
Since neither of us seems to be able to complete a story, how about this: you write one half of it, and I'll write the other half. No, on second thought, with a whole half to do, I'd probably only write a quarter.Well, I’d be flattered if I thought you were serious.
Jon Smithie
Tribune
At least in the U.S., there is a lot of graphic violence portrayed in mainstream (commercial) TV, but nudity is still a big no-no. And in European TV shows I think I've noticed a trend that male nudity, including full frontal nudity, is becoming more common than female nudity.
connoisseurs
Senator
And when the film is a great success the producer will proudly declare that he is a long standing member of CF. Others will followI sometimes wonder if there could be anybody from the film industry lurking on this site, waiting for the right idea... Its fun to imagine some big name director or producer is actually here, under a pseudonym, just watching and waiting, not posting anything. And someday one of our writers will be contacted out of the blue regarding rights to their story.
Me too! 
Me too! 
Me too! 
Me too!
J
Juan1234
Guest
To revive this discussion a little... Have any of you seen or read about the omgyes.com project? If not, it’s supposed to be a research-based tutorial or sorts all about giving females sexual pleasure. For purposes of this thread, though, the point is that it includes extremely explicit video of various women masturbating, etc., but everybody is talking about how academic, classy, non-porn it all is. The women aren’t actresses, and they weren’t chosen because they had “perfect” bodies. For the subject matter, of course you have to show their vulvas on screen, but it’s treated in a very mature, adult way, not objectifying the women or trying to cause arousal. Of course they won’t be showing that kind of material on the mainstream big screen anytime soon, BUT having that kind of classy, non-porn approach to a subject like female crucifixion, when necessary for the story being told, probably could be accepted on big-budget TV before long, I think. How far removed is it from Lupita Nyong’o’s nude whipping scene in 12 Years a Slave? Brutal, unjust, quasi-judicial violence inflicted on a naked woman - doesn’t seem far at all to me.
windar
Teller of Tales
I think that's more or less what Jac Avila has been trying to do with Red Feline (both with crucifixion and inquisition torture). He's supposedly shown some of his films at festivals in South America. The problem, from what I read in the GIMP anyway, seems to be that as he gets more "artsy" the core audience doesn't like the stuff. 12 Years a Slave was quite non-erotic for me, despite Ms Nyongo being incredibly beautiful.
J
Juan1234
Guest
Try this: Start with Lupita’s nude whipping scene, then put a cross over Cersei’s shoulders during her walk of shame. Then make Willem female on the cross! The material is all there! We just need a solid, classy, non-porn story and a solid, classy non-porn director to approach it properly, and I think audiences would go for it. I think it’s all about the angle. Approach it like horny teenagers drooling for the crucifixion scene, and it doesn’t stand a chance. Approach it like heavy-hitting, “honest” historical drama, and I think it flies!