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Excellent thread, and great disclaimer page.
Of course, none of us would harm anyone, including themselves, on RL for Crux or BDSM stuff.

But we all know that only one member here really needs to read it, and I hope he will understand it for good, this time.
 
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jacksjg89 said:
...I do consider myself a male feminist, and I do have a lot of strong women around me ...
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A feminist is not necessary appearing like a "strong" woman ...
For me, a feminist is a woman who assumes all her behavior , including a submitted appearance : if she can accept her nature, she's a feminist !
I can go in the streets wearing a sexy mini skirt and having not any thought that it could show that I want a male to satisfy my libido ; I'm rather pretty and I only want that people could admire , without that it could bring lascivious desires from the men ...
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but I still sometimes act like I’m under 24 hour survellience, and that people can somehow see through me and judge me.
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Dont be parano ! ... and let them judge if it's their pleasure ... :cursing2::cheer:
 
SkatingJesus said:
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Looks like it's about me...
Yes, in my imagination i don't see any borders between real person and CGI person because they looks so real (NFTW is exception), surfaces, emotions. They looks real. They looks alive. We give them a names, we create them a backstories. We are making them as we want to see them in real word. Kind, loyal. How many kind women did you meet IRL? Loyal? Not too many, i'm afraid.
Temptation to perform something from the darkest corners of our minds can be irresistable. I must admit that i did a lot of bad things. I've tried to find something erotic. Aesthetic, maybe. But step by step i've started to understand that all cruel things that i've done are reflected to me, real me. There are no limits. Where should i stop?
Interracial gangbang? Why not. Tortures with hot tools? Why not. Crucifixion (the lifeblood of this community)? Why not...
But when i saw the real acts of brutal violence against real people i understood that i have been mistaken. About a great many things.
A few artists here are killing CGI women because their target audience demands it. Some of them (NFTW) did it because they love it.
But why i did it? I have not the target audience.
For myself? No. Not like this at least.
I'm a very impusive person. Sometimes i can't stop myself. Especially when i see something that makes me totally insane.

I don't fear the criticism.
My works are shitty, you probably say? Fine. I know it without you.:) What did you expect from the free stuff?
My works are good, you say? Excellent! Thank you. I'm glad you like it.
That's my POV.
I'm working with 3D models like i would work with real models.
 
messaline said:
A feminist is not necessary appearing like a "strong" woman ...
For me, a feminist is a woman who assumes all her behavior , including a submitted appearance : if she can accept her nature, she's a feminist !
I can go in the streets wearing a sexy mini skirt and having not any thought that it could show that I want a male to satisfy my libido ; I'm rather pretty and I only want that people could admire , without that it could bring lascivious desires from the men ...

Dont be parano ! ... and let them judge if it's their pleasure ... :cursing2::cheer:
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Very Very True - See the following
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"The idea that there is one best way to do sex afflicts radical as well as conservative thought on the subject." -Gayle Rubin, Deviations

And interesting blog post on subject:
http://lachristagreco.com/blog/bdsm-feminism/9/21/2013
 
messaline said:
I can go in the streets wearing a sexy mini skirt and having not any thought that it could show that I want a male to satisfy my libido
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And what can i do?
As white heterosexual man...
Nothing, i'm afraid. Because someone decided that i'm not a man, i'm "der untermensch".
And woman is "der ubermesch". She can do what she wants. And she does what she wants...
 
Praefectus Praetorio said:
....And interesting blog post on subject:
http://lachristagreco.com/blog/bdsm-feminism/9/21/2013
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An excerpt of this blog which what I agree :

"...Perhaps, the most difficult question I get asked is, "How can you like this stuff when you, yourself, were raped?" This question is reductive, triggering, and invalidates any sense of sexual autonomy or agency. Sometimes I think about how having been raped early on in my "sexually active" life shaped my sexual interests. Did it? Do the two have anything to do with each other? I'm not sure. My thinking is that, no, my having been raped has nothing to do with my sexual desires. And if it does, even a small bit, it's a way for me to take back that power that I lost. It's a way for me to choose how I want to be in this body of mine as well as how I want to share it with someone else. It's on my terms.

Choosing to be submissive in the bedroom is empowering for me. I know some readers will roll their eyes at that, but it’s true! It’s not something forced on me (and it's not something I force on others). It’s something I choose to do when I feel like it, and when my partner also feels like it.

And guess what? It doesn't make me any less of a feminist "
 
Jollyrei said:
The thing about ethics and morality are that these ideas try to treat the same thing, but are really two different philosophical concepts. Ethics is about a consistent pattern of behaviour and the principles underlying that behaviour. In that sense, CF has a code of ethics, as does BDSM. We do not promote the doing of harm in real life, but only explore various forms of eroticism and fantasy through our stories, pictures, and discussion. In that sense, what we do here is entirely ethical.

Morality, on the other hand is a personal judgement. One can be a regular viewer of porn, or a writer of erotic stories, even within the ethical guidelines of CF, and still consider oneself "immoral" based on one's personal beliefs and ideals. In that sense, whether we are ethical or not, there will be people who consider what we do immoral.

In that sense, I think it is more important that we continue to try remain ethical. We can't do very much about the perceptions of others with regard to some aspects of morality.
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As Jollyrei points out that ethics is a set of principles to guide our behavior. Two other words that fall in line with this are rules or guidelines. These can be tied to morality in my opinion because of how stringent the rules or guidelines one person use. Everyone has a certain set of rules or guidelines they will follow. Now, how one perceives these rules or guidelines can affect our behavior. To some people the rules or guideline may either be too loose or stringent. More likely with our affiliation with CF people outside this world we affiliate ourselves with would see our rules or guidelines as loose. However I think as long as we follow a set of rules or guidelines that are stringent enough that do not cause harm to others (physically and mentally) we can maintain a set of ethics and morals while in this forum.
 
AlexArts said:
...words says another
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No , it stays FANTASY ...
I could be happy to be shown, through an avatar , in pain here without that it could signify that it's what I'm searching in REALITY !
When you'll understand that , you'll make a great step in your mind ...

Decidely, for some people, there are yet some difficulties to well separate FANTASY and REALITY ...
 
messaline said:
No , it stays FANTASY ...
I could be happy to be shown, through an avatar , in pain here without that it could signify that it's what I'm searching in REALITY !
When you'll understand that , you'll make a great step in your mind ...

Decidely, for some people, there are yet some difficulties to well separate FANTASY and REALITY ...
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A clearer indication of mental illness than an interest in BDSM, is an inability to distinguish fantasy from reality. Depending on the person and the severity of the inability, professional help may be warranted.
I say this with no condescension. I see a therapist myself (though for a different reason).
 
AlexArts said:
Looks like it's about me...
Yes, in my imagination i don't see any borders between real person and CGI person because they looks so real (NFTW is exception), surfaces, emotions. They looks real. They looks alive. We give them a names, we create them a backstories. We are making them as we want to see them in real word. Kind, loyal. How many kind women did you meet IRL? Loyal? Not too many, i'm afraid.
Temptation to perform something from the darkest corners of our minds can be irresistable. I must admit that i did a lot of bad things. I've tried to find something erotic. Aesthetic, maybe. But step by step i've started to understand that all cruel things that i've done are reflected to me, real me. There are no limits. Where should i stop?
Interracial gangbang? Why not. Tortures with hot tools? Why not. Crucifixion (the lifeblood of this community)? Why not...
But when i saw the real acts of brutal violence against real people i understood that i have been mistaken. About a great many things.
A few artists here are killing CGI women because their target audience demands it. Some of them (NFTW) did it because they love it.
But why i did it? I have not the target audience.
For myself? No. Not like this at least.
I'm a very impusive person. Sometimes i can't stop myself. Especially when i see something that makes me totally insane.

I don't fear the criticism.
My works are shitty, you probably say? Fine. I know it without you.:) What did you expect from the free stuff?
My works are good, you say? Excellent! Thank you. I'm glad you like it.
That's my POV.
I'm working with 3D models like i would work with real models.
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So, in a word, you can't make the difference between CGI and reality?
Do you even realize that's exactly the main problem? You're the fucking ONLY people here who doesn't get the difference between these two worlds. Every character created by any artist here is just a pile of pixels. It's a character made from imagination, and even it is worked enough to look real, it's not, and it will never be. But can we help someone like you, who felt in love with his own creations? Do we want it, now?
So, this is why you had declared war on everyone here, and did these death threats to me? To "avenge" the girls "killed" by people here?
Oh, alright, then. Let's go for jihad on every writer, every scenarist in cinema! Let's kill JK Rowling, the bitch has killed Snape, for God's sake!

And what about your hate about real women? I have met hundred of women. Some had been bitches, but so many had been good people, loyal, respectful, and full of a lot of human qualities. And it is the same good people who has some kinky fantasies. I have talked about what I do to people in real life, and there were way more people that were interested than shocked. But you refuse the right to be different. If you're the same asshole in real life that you are on this forum, I won't blame anyone in this world if nobody wants to hangout with you. You just want people to bend the knee in front of you and your vision of the world, you refuse to women the right to think by themselves. It's not women who don't respect you, it's you who doesn't respect them and their free will.

And again, you talk about you... About what you felt before, and what you feel now about kinky/BDSM/crux stuff.
You don't want to do this again, that's all fine to all of us. But don't blame other people for enjoying it.
Why did you feel the urge to attack, again, Pierre771, after attacking NFTW, Bartnel, and so many people here? And don't answer shit like "He used my pictures without my approval!", everybody knows you had assaulted him for another reason.

You're just looking for drama and fame. Nothing more.
Mods had been way too tolerant with you.
 
SkatingJesus said:
So, in a word, you can't make the difference between CGI and reality?
Do you even realize that's exactly the main problem? You're the fucking ONLY people here who doesn't get the difference between these two worlds. Every character created by any artist here is just a pile of pixels. It's a character made from imagination, and even it is worked enough to look real, it's not, and it will never be. But can we help someone like you, who felt in love with his own creations? Do we want it, now?
So, this is why you had declared war on everyone here, and did these death threats to me? To "avenge" the girls "killed" by people here?
Oh, alright, then. Let's go for jihad on every writer, every scenarist in cinema! Let's kill JK Rowling, the bitch has killed Snape, for God's sake!

And what about your hate about real women? I have met hundred of women. Some had been bitches, but so many had been good people, loyal, respectful, and full of a lot of human qualities. And it is the same good people who has some kinky fantasies. I have talked about what I do to people in real life, and there were way more people that were interested than shocked. But you refuse the right to be different. If you're the same asshole in real life that you are on this forum, I won't blame anyone in this world if nobody wants to hangout with you. You just want people to bend the knee in front of you and your vision of the world, you refuse to women the right to think by themselves. It's not women who don't respect you, it's you who doesn't respect them and their free will.

And again, you talk about you... About what you felt before, and what you feel now about kinky/BDSM/crux stuff.
You don't want to do this again, that's all fine to all of us. But don't blame other people for enjoying it.
Why did you feel the urge to attack, again, Pierre771, after attacking NFTW, Bartnel, and so many people here? And don't answer shit like "He used my pictures without my approval!", everybody knows you had assaulted him for another reason.

You're just looking for drama and fame. Nothing more.
Mods had been way too tolerant with you.
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I agree....and I'm sure others will feel the same.
 
AlexArts said:
I am who i am...
And who the hell are you to make a findings about me?
Do we met personally? Do we spoke with each other? No.
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You are what you are, yes, that's true.
Why not letting people here being what they are too, instead of attacking them, so?
They can't have another opinion about this forum's theme? No, they can't, they all have to think like you!

Dude, I don't want to talk to you. I have told you that I'm fed up with your shit. I have told you that everybody is fed up with your shit, here.
I told you to stop being an ass, and start to do things for this forum instead. And then, you may be seen as friendly to the members. But no, that's impossible. you can't do that. Let's better ruin everything by attacking -again- some random member. The game will be to guess who will be the next "lucky winner", your next victim.


AlexArts said:
He used my pictures without my approwal!
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Yes, but you attacked him before he did. that's what I have already written, but as usual, you can't face the truth.

AlexArts said:
I used your picture and you decided that this is a death threat
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It was and you know it.
You clearly said that was made with hate, and then tried to hide it "as a joke".
And I remember some stuff you wrote on your blog.
 
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